Can't believe docking is still legal in the US - MyCorgi.com2024-03-28T22:50:15Zhttp://mycorgi.com/forum/topics/can-t-believe-docking-is-still-legal-in-the-us?commentId=1150197%3AComment%3A1972734&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI know someone who had a tail…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-11-02:1150197:Comment:19732282017-11-02T23:11:16.927ZJane Christensenhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/JaneChristensen
<p>I know someone who had a tailed corgi and after several conversations was able to get the breeder to leave a tail on the one he choose but that's a hard way to pick a pup at 2 days old! The pup and other Corgi are doing great!</p>
<p>I know someone who had a tailed corgi and after several conversations was able to get the breeder to leave a tail on the one he choose but that's a hard way to pick a pup at 2 days old! The pup and other Corgi are doing great!</p> He makes good use of his tail…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-23:1150197:Comment:19728432017-10-23T00:53:22.327ZShippo & Koga Corgishttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Cheetah
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3126248444?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="600" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3126248444?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="600" class="align-center"/></a>He makes good use of his tail. =D</p>
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<p>Koga got to keep his tail. Same breeder as Shippo, but she decided she wasn't going to dock anymore after that. She's in Canada... but…</p>
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<p>Koga got to keep his tail. Same breeder as Shippo, but she decided she wasn't going to dock anymore after that. She's in Canada... but there are a few good breeders in the US who have decided to leave tails now. I hope the numbers keep growing!</p>
<p></p> Yet society accepts circumcis…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-22:1150197:Comment:19730382017-10-22T02:56:54.512ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
<p>Yet society accepts circumcision, for instance. And many who have issues with tail docking for cosmetics are perfectly ok with neutering, which is mostly for behavior purposes. Were we only concerned with reproduction we could choose other methods. I have met a few people who are consistent across the board with their opinions on these sorts of issues. Many, however, have inconsistencies with their moral conclusions. As is true of so much in life; we humans are amazingly fallible…</p>
<p>Yet society accepts circumcision, for instance. And many who have issues with tail docking for cosmetics are perfectly ok with neutering, which is mostly for behavior purposes. Were we only concerned with reproduction we could choose other methods. I have met a few people who are consistent across the board with their opinions on these sorts of issues. Many, however, have inconsistencies with their moral conclusions. As is true of so much in life; we humans are amazingly fallible creatures. :-) </p>
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<p>As is true with most things in life, I am not an absolutist. I would prefer my Corgis undocked and wish more breeders were flexible. I would never want an undocked Springer Spaniel though. </p> Those people would have a dif…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-21:1150197:Comment:19730322017-10-21T02:40:25.420ZAnna Morellihttp://mycorgi.com/profile/AnnaMorelli
<p>Those people would have a different view if the tail was theirs!!!</p>
<p>Those people would have a different view if the tail was theirs!!!</p> Here is a picture of my own p…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-20:1150197:Comment:19727342017-10-20T14:02:44.480ZJane Christensenhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/JaneChristensen
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<p></p> Both docking and ear cropping…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-11:1150197:Comment:19724712017-10-11T21:04:31.870ZVicky Hayhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/VickyHay
<p>Both docking and ear cropping are legal in the US. And goood luck trying to get a breeder to refrain! Even if you ask not to have the dog's ears and/or tail cropped, you may find the person brought in a butcher or a vet who just assumed all the pups in the litter were to be cut up. This happened with my dobe.</p>
<p>Both docking and ear cropping are legal in the US. And goood luck trying to get a breeder to refrain! Even if you ask not to have the dog's ears and/or tail cropped, you may find the person brought in a butcher or a vet who just assumed all the pups in the litter were to be cut up. This happened with my dobe.</p> I agree that Pembrokes don't…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-08:1150197:Comment:19724602017-10-08T22:48:16.926ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
<p>I agree that Pembrokes don't need to be docked (they usually have a high spitz-like tail carriage and a tail that is hair-covered enough to not bleed if it is banged against things, but not so feathered as to catch in brambles). I too wish more breeders did not dock and would prefer a Corgi with a tail. </p>
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<p>That said, my comments were specifically about making it illegal. I am uncomfortable with making something illegal when it is very questionable if it actually hurts the…</p>
<p>I agree that Pembrokes don't need to be docked (they usually have a high spitz-like tail carriage and a tail that is hair-covered enough to not bleed if it is banged against things, but not so feathered as to catch in brambles). I too wish more breeders did not dock and would prefer a Corgi with a tail. </p>
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<p>That said, my comments were specifically about making it illegal. I am uncomfortable with making something illegal when it is very questionable if it actually hurts the dog. So ear-cropping we know hurts (major surgery and recovery time on an older pup) while docking is probably not really painful. And some breeds when not docked have trouble functioning as intended. It does not matter if you hunt your Springer Spaniel or not; an off-leash Springer WILL move in and out of heavy brush eagerly and by instinct. I cannot imagine that spending an hour and a half pulling burrs out of a tail after every single hike is somehow less painful to the dog than a one-time dock; my own dog yips and starts and even mouths at me when I try to pull just one burr off of him. Therefore the story that it is kinder to leave the tail is patently untrue on certain breeds. A springer not allowed to run through the bushes is not as happy as a springer who is allowed to run through the bushes. So not docking a springer is likely to result in a less happy dog all in the name of laws supported by.... well, by what, exactly? Not the preponderance of evidence. </p>
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<p>So in my example above, you have some legislative body saying "Well, I think docking might hurt so let's not have it legal to dock any dog. If it does hurt, the pain is likely short lived. But now I will spend significant time after every outing hurting my dog but at least it has a tail." I don't know if I see the logic in that. </p> I share your sentiments. I h…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-10-01:1150197:Comment:19723242017-10-01T01:57:01.354ZAnna Morellihttp://mycorgi.com/profile/AnnaMorelli
<p>I share your sentiments. I have seen posts here in the past from people who wanted a Pembroke and had contacted several breeders wanting to reserve a puppy and asking that the tail not be docked. They complained that none of those they had contacted were willing to accommodate their request. I know some of the people here do not dock tails, but I believe them to be in the minority. The tail has specific functions in creating balance for the dog in motion, especially on quick turns. The…</p>
<p>I share your sentiments. I have seen posts here in the past from people who wanted a Pembroke and had contacted several breeders wanting to reserve a puppy and asking that the tail not be docked. They complained that none of those they had contacted were willing to accommodate their request. I know some of the people here do not dock tails, but I believe them to be in the minority. The tail has specific functions in creating balance for the dog in motion, especially on quick turns. The argument that docking the tail makes Corgis better working dogs is effectively contradicted by the Cardigan!</p> In the UK there are some , st…tag:mycorgi.com,2017-09-20:1150197:Comment:19722712017-09-20T10:49:08.482ZGilly & 'Fox'http://mycorgi.com/profile/GillianMaryLeeper
In the UK there are some , strictly regulated exceptions for docking certain dog breeds. These apply only to dogs used for a) law enforcement; b) activities of HM Armed Forces; c) emergency rescue; d) lawful pest control; e) the lawful shooting of animals.<br />
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My comments were purely referring to the Corgi. It isn't about the process of tail removal being painful or not, but about it being totally unnecessary in most ordinary circumstances. The Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS), the…
In the UK there are some , strictly regulated exceptions for docking certain dog breeds. These apply only to dogs used for a) law enforcement; b) activities of HM Armed Forces; c) emergency rescue; d) lawful pest control; e) the lawful shooting of animals.<br />
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My comments were purely referring to the Corgi. It isn't about the process of tail removal being painful or not, but about it being totally unnecessary in most ordinary circumstances. The Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS), the regulatory body for veterinary surgeons in the United Kingdom, has stated they consider tail docking to be "an unjustified mutilation and unethical unless done for therapeutic or acceptable prophylactic reasons". Interestingly , the registered Kennel Club breeder from whom we purchased our puppy in Pembrokeshire, Wales, actually used her dogs to herd Welsh Cob horses and said that she never felt that docking was necessary , particularly in recent times when fields are more open and hedgerows are managed and not thick and potentially dangerous as they were 50-100 years ago.<br />
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What concerns me is seeing comments from US Corgi owners on the internet about "cute" bob tail backsides . I know that some of the breed are born with little or no tail, but comments like this about the cosmetic aspect of the Corgi do nothing to educate owners in to insisting to breeders that they wish their potential puppy's tail to remain intact. The dog's appearance should not be a fashion statement. And don't get me started on ear clipping! We are , after all, a supposedly civil society living in the twentieth century.