No More Fluffies?! - MyCorgi.com2024-03-28T12:40:52Zhttp://mycorgi.com/forum/topics/no-more-fluffies?commentId=1150197%3AComment%3A1139229&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOddly enough we were just tal…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-07-01:1150197:Comment:11392292011-07-01T23:43:34.499ZShepdoghttp://mycorgi.com/profile/WPatten
<p>Oddly enough we were just talking about this the other day Cardi wise. Strangely, being hetero for the fluff gene doesn't make coats fuller or thicker or heavier, weirdly enough. You'd never know that some dogs carry fluff, or dogs that you think should be fluff carriers don't have it at all. A friend of mine has a dog who's got almost a fluff coat and we were shocked, he came back clear for fluff.</p>
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<p>Caleb's clear, and he's got a better coat than Simon for the ring. Simon's…</p>
<p>Oddly enough we were just talking about this the other day Cardi wise. Strangely, being hetero for the fluff gene doesn't make coats fuller or thicker or heavier, weirdly enough. You'd never know that some dogs carry fluff, or dogs that you think should be fluff carriers don't have it at all. A friend of mine has a dog who's got almost a fluff coat and we were shocked, he came back clear for fluff.</p>
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<p>Caleb's clear, and he's got a better coat than Simon for the ring. Simon's a fluff carrier, and yet he has one of those tight, "non-glamour" coats that is totally wash and wear, but isn't a great one for the ring. Simon just knocks the mud off. Caleb isn't wash and wear -- he's just mostly a lot of wash, haha. ;)</p>
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<p>Tempe's a carrier, and yet she's got a way thicker coat than the two boys, but that's also because her dad has a pretty nice coat, and his dad had nice coat too. ;) Her lines are known for their heavier coats.</p>
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<p>Frankly.... most of us Cardi folks go, it's just cosmetic. Fluffs don't matter for health. No one I know would take a fluffy out of their breeding lines if everything else was there health and structure wise -- they'd just breed to a dog that was not a fluff carrier.</p>
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<p>That said, Tempe's brother was one of the Fluffiest Dogs I've ever seen. I admit, every time I saw him all I wanted to do was hug the heck out of him and go, "He's SO FLUFFY." ;) (I have some pictures of him I took, he was gorgeous, wow. Stunning dog.)</p> I think like someone already…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-07-01:1150197:Comment:11382612011-07-01T18:13:05.912ZWind Dialhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/WindDial
I think like someone already mentioned, with all the different things to consider when breeding that fluffs will still remain. Most reputable breeds WILL make health traits priority over fluff traits or other non-health issue's. With all the health tests they're coming out with, fluff may be the last thing they worry about producing. It is A criteria to consider but not the only and certainly not first in priority. Now could we see an elimination of DM? That would be nice. I would gladly…
I think like someone already mentioned, with all the different things to consider when breeding that fluffs will still remain. Most reputable breeds WILL make health traits priority over fluff traits or other non-health issue's. With all the health tests they're coming out with, fluff may be the last thing they worry about producing. It is A criteria to consider but not the only and certainly not first in priority. Now could we see an elimination of DM? That would be nice. I would gladly chance fluffies in my litter for the sake of DM clear. Doug, That was fun looking a…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11332572011-06-28T22:13:11.811ZBev Levyhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/BevLevy
Doug, That was fun looking at the old style corgis. Sparty looks more like that and as with Gromit has found a family he is perfect for (most of the time..:))
Doug, That was fun looking at the old style corgis. Sparty looks more like that and as with Gromit has found a family he is perfect for (most of the time..:)) We fluff people are just so h…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11323692011-06-28T18:05:40.999ZKari & Quinhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/KariSkinner
We fluff people are just so happy with our beautiful little accidents:) I am sure there is more involved in that fluff gene than just a fluffy coat lets hope they don't breed it out before they find out. Love ,love, love my fluff:)
We fluff people are just so happy with our beautiful little accidents:) I am sure there is more involved in that fluff gene than just a fluffy coat lets hope they don't breed it out before they find out. Love ,love, love my fluff:) That's fabulous that your gir…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11325272011-06-28T14:06:48.200ZCarylhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Caryl
<p>That's fabulous that your girls are herding and will do sheep. I know some Corgis aren't usually used for sheep because they are considered too exciteable (the Corgis, not the sheep). Lucky you to be able to do a hobby farm!</p>
<p>I love the description of Corgis as "market dogs" since they were often used to get the geese and other critters to market.</p>
<p>Whatever we do with our Corgis - they are a wonderful addition to our homes</p>
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<p>That's fabulous that your girls are herding and will do sheep. I know some Corgis aren't usually used for sheep because they are considered too exciteable (the Corgis, not the sheep). Lucky you to be able to do a hobby farm!</p>
<p>I love the description of Corgis as "market dogs" since they were often used to get the geese and other critters to market.</p>
<p>Whatever we do with our Corgis - they are a wonderful addition to our homes</p>
<p>!</p> Doug said, "Gromit isn't perf…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11324352011-06-28T14:00:08.008ZCarylhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Caryl
<p>Doug said, "Gromit isn't perfect, according to the standard, but he's perfect for our family."</p>
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<p>Hooray Doug! In the end that's what matters to those of us who aren't looking to show. Both of mine are perfect for us - altho Pip has a bad overbite. No one wanted him because of it - so we got very lucky because he's fabulous. We can't imagine life without him (and I don't think Hunter could either).</p>
<p>Doug said, "Gromit isn't perfect, according to the standard, but he's perfect for our family."</p>
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<p>Hooray Doug! In the end that's what matters to those of us who aren't looking to show. Both of mine are perfect for us - altho Pip has a bad overbite. No one wanted him because of it - so we got very lucky because he's fabulous. We can't imagine life without him (and I don't think Hunter could either).</p> Thanks so much for breaking i…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11321382011-06-28T11:58:54.201ZCindi & Twinkiehttp://mycorgi.com/profile/CindiStanesic
Thanks so much for breaking it down for me. There is so much that goes into making a breeding pair that coat is just one component. Hmmm...
Thanks so much for breaking it down for me. There is so much that goes into making a breeding pair that coat is just one component. Hmmm... Just to modify and expand a b…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11315572011-06-28T03:21:09.212ZGromit, Sparkle, and Doughttp://mycorgi.com/profile/DougKlassen
<p>Just to modify and expand a bit on my previous comment: An excellent book on the history of the Corgi breed and how it got to be the Corgis we love today is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-Complete-Pembroke-Welsh-Corgi/dp/0876052499/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1309229465&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The New Complete Pembroke Welsh Corgi</a>. It's well worth reading for those who want to understand a little more about the why's and wherefore's of…</p>
<p>Just to modify and expand a bit on my previous comment: An excellent book on the history of the Corgi breed and how it got to be the Corgis we love today is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/New-Complete-Pembroke-Welsh-Corgi/dp/0876052499/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1309229465&sr=8-1" target="_blank">The New Complete Pembroke Welsh Corgi</a>. It's well worth reading for those who want to understand a little more about the why's and wherefore's of Corgis. </p>
<p>A quote from the book, referring to Corgis in the UK in the <strong>1920s,</strong> reveals how far the dogs have come and where they could wind up again if breeders were not serious about developing and protecting the breed and adhering to a consistent breed standard:</p>
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<p><em> “...the Corgi scene remained just short of ruinous chaos for several years following the granting of championship status. Cardigans and Pembrokes were classified together as a single breed in Kennel Club registry, and the two Corgi types, shown together, were judged by a single Standard.</em></p>
<div><em>Mongrelly-looking dogs of every description—heavy set, long and low, fine boned and terrier-like, straight fronted, with or without tails, all appeared in the Corgi ring.”</em> - The New Complete Pembroke Welsh Corgi by Deborah S. Harper</div>
<div>A quick look at what the champion corgis of long ago days look like is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.angelfire.com/id/castellpwc/Oldies.html" target="_blank">here.</a></div>
<div>As for me, I think fluffies are charming, especially Cardigan fluffies, and their owners seem slightly more daft than most of us corgi owners already are. ;-) The reality is that there are no perfect dogs, only official standards for breeders to try to breed to in order to ensure that the dogs we love will <em>improve</em>. I doubt that fluffies will disappear anytime soon, they are too innocent of a by product of the over all effort. Gromit isn't perfect, according to the standard, but he's perfect for our family.</div>
<br/> Yep, I think plenty of people…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11316292011-06-28T01:54:03.377ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
Yep, I think plenty of people are still breeding carriers. Maddie is a carrier and she was bred. They'll just breed to clears, which will still keep the genes in the gene-pool (a carrier to a clear will likely produce some carriers).
Yep, I think plenty of people are still breeding carriers. Maddie is a carrier and she was bred. They'll just breed to clears, which will still keep the genes in the gene-pool (a carrier to a clear will likely produce some carriers). I'm wondering if by isolating…tag:mycorgi.com,2011-06-28:1150197:Comment:11316282011-06-28T01:40:29.599ZMelissa and Franklin!http://mycorgi.com/profile/Melissa919
I'm wondering if by isolating the fluffy gene and selecting against it, breeders will in the long run end up with less desirable traits by also eliminating a lot of good qualities? Seems like its such a minor thing because it causes no ill health effects and that breeders should (and probably will?) stick to breeding more for health and temperament and if you get a few fluffies in the litter oh well just one or two less dogs to choose from for a future show champion but it seems like the breed…
I'm wondering if by isolating the fluffy gene and selecting against it, breeders will in the long run end up with less desirable traits by also eliminating a lot of good qualities? Seems like its such a minor thing because it causes no ill health effects and that breeders should (and probably will?) stick to breeding more for health and temperament and if you get a few fluffies in the litter oh well just one or two less dogs to choose from for a future show champion but it seems like the breed overall would benefit by having a wider gene pool.