On a waiting list - has anyone else used this breeder before?

Hi! I'm new here. Haven't quite gotten around to making an introductory post yet, so I'll just sum it up:

I'm a twenty year old in Utah who has obsessed over Corgis her entire life. These past few years, I've heavily considered getting one of my own. I have spent that time researching the breed, saving money and all of that fantastic stuff in preparation!

My boyfriend and I of two years could not find one breeder anywhere close to us, but found one that would ship from Missouri. From their website and multiple variations of their kennel name through Google searches, I haven't found anything that is necessarily red-flag material to me. That being said, I can admit that I have never bought a dog on my own before and could be naive!

So, has anyone used/heard of Nistler's Corgi Corral (http://farmcorgis.com)? They just had puppies a few days ago and I have been on the waiting list since July, and they have a male for me. They're not accepting deposits or anything for a few more days.

I haven't approached a forum or anything in the meantime because I never would have assumed that these people could not be reputable; they have a whole section of their website dedicated to pictures of puppies in new homes and new their owner's testimonies, have health guarantees/contracts, are AKC registered, allow potential buyers to view where the puppies and their parents live, have answered every question I send them, and they seem to genuinely care about their dogs. But, I've been reading online recently and apparently, there should be a lot more to breeders than that (showing their animals and having champion lineage, for example) and other things I was not aware of.

Champion lineage and the likes have never been much of a concern to me - I just want a puppy that I can raise, love and have as a companion for the rest of my life. Like I said - I could be naive, and I would like to make sure they sound like "good" breeders before I commit this Friday and send the deposit! By good, I obviously mean NOT a puppy mill!

Can't wait to discuss more with all of you fellow Corgi lovers out there! :)

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Welcome to the site Nikki.

First I would certainly suggest you spent much time reading as much from this site on anything Corgi related, from behaviors, trainning needs, socialization, intelligence and anything else that makes a Corgi and owners happy.   Not every dogs is the same, same as us and you will quickly find that out.    

I personally do not know of this breeder but I remember seeking registered Corgi Breeders in your area, Arizona maybe.   I'm trying to find the US register Kennels for Breeders.     Some various nationally registered breeders database our available on the web, such as:    http://cardigancorgis.com/BreederDirectory.asp

If you either looking for a Pembroke or Cardigan, either breeders might be helpful to connect you with another one that would have had recently a new litter of pups.   

Either way, I would recommend you to talk directly with the breeders and ask any information if they are nationally registered with Kennel Clubs, if not "why", any health issues garantees, lineage information, etc.   Corgi breeders take this breed quite seriously and will try anything to prevent the Corgi Breeds to fall into puppy farms, shelters, etc.    With the help of any others from this site, it does help as well and preventing that the breed gets mixed like so many others out there.

I also would suggest looking in neighboring states. You really need to go physically to the breeder's site, meet the person, inspect the place, and assess the situation for yourself. Before you sign a contract.

My now 8-month-old pup, Ruby the Corgi, came from a breeder in Wittmann, AZ, a little burg just outside of Phoenix. She recently changed the name of her kennel to Zion Corgis, specifically because she learned that someone else was using the "Corgi Corral" name -- you can find Lindsay's website at http://www.zioncorgis.com/ . She is very active with a local obedience group and she does some show competitions and the like. I found she was very serious about her pups' health, careful about who she placed them with, and evidently very responsible. The premises were spotlessly clean throughout and the puppies were cared for in the house, socialized from the outset to humans (and other dogs, BTW).

It's radically important to find out about health testing AND TO CONFIRM IT, which you can do through the various agencies that perform the testing. I used to have the URLs around but offhand don't see them in my bookmarks. Maybe someone else at mycorgi.com can provide? There are databases where you can enter the dam's or the sire's official name and up will come the results of the tests -- and of tests on relatives. Health testing is not an option for people who are breeding dogs!!!!

You may want to get in touch with Lindsay and ask if she can refer you to someone in Utah. As you might guess from the new name she chose (and her appearance -- that's her on the homepage), this is a lady who undoubtedly does have some contacts in Utah. ;-) If I were you. I'd try find someone in Utah who can advise, even if they're retired from breeding, training, or competing at this time.

Just remember: a dog (any dog) is a specialized black hole that sucks money into itself. A dog that's poorly bred? Oh my goodness!!!

Red flags for me:

No health testing being done

Dogs are undersized, some have poor docks, structurally not close to the AKC standard

They're not doing any activities with their dogs other than breeding (showing, herding, agility, etc)

They're selling puppies with full registration (should be limited for pets)

They're breeding one male repeatedly to all the females with no regards to how those two dogs compliment one another structurally.

I personally would pass on this breeder, but it's your choice. Selling the puppies with full registration is enough to turn me off, because it's basically allowing anyone to breed their corgi which I don't agree with. I'll be honest, I bought my pem from a farm type breeder who did some very limited showing before I really knew better, and he's a great dog. BUT, I feel I got very lucky. There are a lot of people who end up with health and/or temperament issues buying from a breeder like this and I would recommend trying to find someone who is more reputable.

You could try contacting this lady, I believe she is in Utah and has been very active on some pem forums in the past. I don't think she breeds any longer but she might be able to point you in the right direction.

Jim & Peggy Newman
Taflar Corgis & Shelties
Utah Corgi Rescue
mailto:taflar@allwest.net,taflarpwc@yahoo.com

I see the point.

Reading their information they clearly do this as a hobby and all their dogs are for "pets home".   I love the background where they grow up and would like to live their myself.     :)

But their contract does not say anything about "Non Breeding" so anyone would be able to buy a pup from them and with no expectation to fix the dog.  

With all.the red flags.Jane has pointed out, I would keep looking for another breeder.  It is tempting for you Im.sure because the pups are already born however finding a reputable breeder will pay off in the end . You may pay more for your pup when you purchase your corgi from a reputable breeder but it more than likely to.save on expenses related.to thier health.  Good you are doing your research now!!  :)

Jane raises some good points. I don't see any signs of "puppy mill" but I'd still be careful.

With health testing for Corgis, there are specific disease that should be tested for. One clear example is von Willebrand's disease. This can cause dogs to bleed easily and not clot, which can cause issues with surgeries or injuries. It is a simple recessive gene, meaning if both parents carry a copy of the gene, the pups can inherit it. If only one parent, or neither, carries a copy and the other parent is clear, the pup cannot inherit it.

vWb is common enough in Corgis that all breeding stock should be tested. It is easy enough to find a "clear" if your dog is a "carrier" (meaning has only one copy), and thus avoid having any pups with the problem. But if you don't test, you don't know if you are breeding a carrier to a carrier or not.

And therefore, if you don't test, you risk having your pups have a problematic genetic disorder that a simple DNA test can completely prevent.
I'd suggest watching CL or your local shelter. Although if you want a good bloodline that has been tested for defects you're going to have to pay a bit more. Good breeders aren't cheap. Best of luck in your search!
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Not all backyard breeders are puppy mills but "buyer beware" when not going to a breeder that shows. I have gone both ways but after a sad, expensive, short lived experience with one of mine I decided to pay a little more to get a properly health tested puppy. The vet bills have been minimal compared to hundreds of dollars spent trying to alleviate the pain and cure our sweet little corgi, Buffy. She died at only 6.

Checkout either the Pembroke of Cardigan clubs websites. You can call the breeder closest to you and I have found that they usually are more than willing to help. As  with many breeds corgi can have genetic problems that can be tested for. Also many breeders occasionally will have a young dog they decided idea not not to show.

If you don't feel you can afford to go that route after talking to a couple breeders, you are better off contacting rescues.

That is so true, Bev! Nikki, the extra cost covers expenses such as health testing and careful ancestry checks and veterinary and breeding bills. Pembrokes are pretty pricey, at least around here, and even then you can still get health problems.

Frankly, if I didn't want to foot the going rate breeders are charging, I'd look to rescue a mixed-breed dog, taking advantage of  what's called "hybrid vigor" to work in favor of good health. Given the health issues Ruby has already had -- she's only 9 months old -- and the endless problems with the late spectacularly expensive German shepherd and with Charley the Amazingly Expensive Golden Retriever's crytorchidism and chronic (messy!) intestinal problems, if If these two pooches pass on while I'm still able to manage a pet dog, I'm afraid I wouldn't think of getting another purebred dog of any variety..

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