Question about Wet/Dry food? - MyCorgi.com2024-03-28T10:58:00Zhttp://mycorgi.com/forum/topics/question-about-wetdry-food?commentId=1150197%3AComment%3A575317&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree Heather, and everyone…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753852009-12-11T22:03:01.972ZAlicehttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Alice
I agree Heather, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I would never try to convince someone to change what they feed their dog but I will not hesitate to share what I've learned about nutrition and let them make their own decision. I appreciate people sharing what they know with me as well. Knowledge is power, right? I am not against foods such as Iams, Purina etc and that is what our dogs ate when I was younger and they lived to a ripe old age. I just choose to feed Finnigan something…
I agree Heather, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I would never try to convince someone to change what they feed their dog but I will not hesitate to share what I've learned about nutrition and let them make their own decision. I appreciate people sharing what they know with me as well. Knowledge is power, right? I am not against foods such as Iams, Purina etc and that is what our dogs ate when I was younger and they lived to a ripe old age. I just choose to feed Finnigan something that I feel is better because if there is a chance that it will benefit him, why not do it? It certainly can't hurt. Anyway, I realize you didn't ask about switching foods and the only reason I suggested looking into another food previously is because there may be one that will give him the nutrition he needs to support his activity level without him having to eat more. If he gets full he will not continue to eat so getting him to put on weight by increasing the serving size will be a battle.<br />
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I would not worry at all about adding wet food to his meals which I know was your real question. :) We at one point were going to…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753492009-12-11T21:50:24.132ZAlicehttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Alice
We at one point were going to feed Finn Wellness Core. It's a grain free food that is very high in protein. We opted not to for two reasons, one was that Finn was 7 months old at the time and I was concerned about giving a puppy so much protein and risking problems like Pano and two, that kind of diet works well for very active or working dogs which Finn is not. I know a Corgi breeder out here that feeds it to hers and is happy. You may want to consider something like that for him. It can be…
We at one point were going to feed Finn Wellness Core. It's a grain free food that is very high in protein. We opted not to for two reasons, one was that Finn was 7 months old at the time and I was concerned about giving a puppy so much protein and risking problems like Pano and two, that kind of diet works well for very active or working dogs which Finn is not. I know a Corgi breeder out here that feeds it to hers and is happy. You may want to consider something like that for him. It can be too rich for some dogs (causing tummy upset) in which case the breeder told me she will mix half grain free with half regular food. If he is losing weight then I agree that he needs more. It can take time for them to fill out and reach the appropriate size. Usually by 2 years they look more sturdy and muscular (but not overweight). I’ve seen quite a few Corgis a year or so old that look very long and lean but they all end up filling out. My Mom’s Cardi looked like that and I always joked that he looked like a water dragon with his big head and long shapeless body. He’s now just over two and looks like a mature adult. You are right, Heather: there…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753472009-12-11T21:46:51.617ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
You are right, Heather: there are lots of opinions and the food discussions tend to get a little passionate! But if your dog is healthy and you and your vet are happy with his condition, there is no reason to change what you're doing and a little canned won't hurt your dog at all.
You are right, Heather: there are lots of opinions and the food discussions tend to get a little passionate! But if your dog is healthy and you and your vet are happy with his condition, there is no reason to change what you're doing and a little canned won't hurt your dog at all. Ok you all, I can see now tha…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753252009-12-11T20:19:03.580ZHeatherhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Heather121
Ok you all, I can see now that nobody is ever going to agree on what to feed your dogs...Even though the Beneful, etc...might not be the healthiest for people's dogs its obvious that some dogs do just fine on these brands. I just want me dog to be healthy overall and so far he is a very happy, healthy active dog even on Beneful. I feel that no matter what is in the food if the dog was not healthy you would be able to tell by looking at the dog. So as long as he is thriving on what he is on then…
Ok you all, I can see now that nobody is ever going to agree on what to feed your dogs...Even though the Beneful, etc...might not be the healthiest for people's dogs its obvious that some dogs do just fine on these brands. I just want me dog to be healthy overall and so far he is a very happy, healthy active dog even on Beneful. I feel that no matter what is in the food if the dog was not healthy you would be able to tell by looking at the dog. So as long as he is thriving on what he is on then I think its just fine! I just simply wanted to know if you all thought it was ok to add wet food to the dry (as I had heard wet food can cause teeth problems) or if it could cause any problems, I didn't want to start a debate... This is off-topic, so I won't…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753242009-12-11T20:09:23.109ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
This is off-topic, so I won't go on at length, but it is positively not true that adding corn oil will make an otherwise malnourished animal's coat bloom. I road for years, and a cup of oil in the feed of a poorly conditioned horse will not give them a shiny, dappled coat. It might help if they are otherwise in good health but missing some fatty acids. A bit of Show-Sheen will add shine, but that's on the surface and you can tell the difference when you look.
This is off-topic, so I won't go on at length, but it is positively not true that adding corn oil will make an otherwise malnourished animal's coat bloom. I road for years, and a cup of oil in the feed of a poorly conditioned horse will not give them a shiny, dappled coat. It might help if they are otherwise in good health but missing some fatty acids. A bit of Show-Sheen will add shine, but that's on the surface and you can tell the difference when you look. The dog will eventually die,…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753212009-12-11T19:58:44.151ZJoanna Kimballhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/JoannaKimball
The dog will eventually die, but he'll die with a shiny coat.<br />
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Adding oil is a classic trick to improve coat in an otherwise poorly nourished animal. That's all Linatone, Mrs. Allen's Shed Stop, and many other "improve skin and coat!" supplements are. You can take a really icky-looking horse, cow, etc. and add a cup of corn oil to his ration and he'll absolutely bloom.<br />
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Most owners don't know what real muscle tone looks like - they think that it means being thin or something, or they equate it…
The dog will eventually die, but he'll die with a shiny coat.<br />
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Adding oil is a classic trick to improve coat in an otherwise poorly nourished animal. That's all Linatone, Mrs. Allen's Shed Stop, and many other "improve skin and coat!" supplements are. You can take a really icky-looking horse, cow, etc. and add a cup of corn oil to his ration and he'll absolutely bloom.<br />
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Most owners don't know what real muscle tone looks like - they think that it means being thin or something, or they equate it with a solid dog (who is solid because he's overweight). An an example, that smooth-coat border collie in the Iams "ProActive Health" ad, which specifically talks about his muscle tone, has HORRIBLE muscle tone and makes me squicky every time I see him.<br />
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The food companies know that what people think is health is just extra oil in the skin. So they use ingredients that are nothing but byproducts (Beneful uses corn gluten meal, animal fat, brewer's rice, soybean meal, animal digest, etc; all are byproducts) because that lets them meet the AAFCO nutrient standard in the absolute cheapest way. AAFCO doesn't care whether you meet the protein percentage by using venison or using corn gluten (which is that white stuff that is produced when you soak corn in water), so companies that don't care about ingredients can meet the AAFCO standards VERY easily and using the same ingredients they put in their cattle feed or poultry feed.<br />
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Then they add fillers to make the poop a nice shape, what is basically a Flintstones vitamin to pass the rest of the AAFCO profile, and some super cheap soybean oil for a shiny soft coat, and pay Saatchi + Saatchi a couple million to hire David Duchovny to do the voice-over for the ads.<br />
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It works because most people don't know the difference. Their dog looks like a dog, so as long as it doesn't have chunks of hair falling out, and sometimes even if it does, they think their food is doing a great job. The comment most raw-feeders get when people see their dogs is "Holy cow. I didn't know a dog could look or feel like this." Whatever you feed your dog should be getting a "Holy cow," not just from visitors but from you. "Good enough" usually means the dog is actually undernourished. Show breeders pretty much alw…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5753172009-12-11T19:11:58.651ZJoanna Kimballhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/JoannaKimball
Show breeders pretty much always add meat. You can see ads where big specials (campaigned champions) are sponsored by Pedigree or Eukanuba, and it says "Brady is a Pedigree champion!" or similar. And yeah, Brady does eat Pedigree. And raw hamburger, eggs, kelp, chicken stew, salmon oil, and vitamins, oh and some Evo and some liver. It ends up being the case that the Pedigree contributes a cup of the total of four cups the dog eats.<br />
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Anything that does not identify the species - "animal digest"…
Show breeders pretty much always add meat. You can see ads where big specials (campaigned champions) are sponsored by Pedigree or Eukanuba, and it says "Brady is a Pedigree champion!" or similar. And yeah, Brady does eat Pedigree. And raw hamburger, eggs, kelp, chicken stew, salmon oil, and vitamins, oh and some Evo and some liver. It ends up being the case that the Pedigree contributes a cup of the total of four cups the dog eats.<br />
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Anything that does not identify the species - "animal digest" is another big one - is rendered multi-species meat and almost certainly contains euthanized animals. Kerry, when my father talks a…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5752552009-12-11T15:14:12.620ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
Kerry, when my father talks about working with field trial kennels, oh, 35 years ago, they all mixed in meat with their kibble, from what he says. And everyone I knew growing up put in scraps as well. Those old-timey kibbles like Purina were designed to provide the base vitamins, minerals, and some protein but they were not the only food source.<br />
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Newer kibbles designed to be fed alone have meat proteins much higher up on the ingredient list.<br />
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I avoid anything that says "meat and bone meal"…
Kerry, when my father talks about working with field trial kennels, oh, 35 years ago, they all mixed in meat with their kibble, from what he says. And everyone I knew growing up put in scraps as well. Those old-timey kibbles like Purina were designed to provide the base vitamins, minerals, and some protein but they were not the only food source.<br />
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Newer kibbles designed to be fed alone have meat proteins much higher up on the ingredient list.<br />
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I avoid anything that says "meat and bone meal" because of the uncertainty of source that you mentioned. "If you add oil to ANYTHING,…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5751732009-12-11T12:03:10.611ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
"If you add oil to ANYTHING, including sawdust, you'll get a shiny coat."<br />
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That is simply not true. A severely malnourished animal will have a poor coat even if they get oil in their diet. It's not quite that easy.<br />
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Beneful may not be a top-of-the-line food, and that I can agree with, but simply putting oil in any old crap won't give a dog a great coat (or nails or teeth or muscle tone, etc). Beneful meets the nutrient standards and dogs can digest vegetable protein, which is not to say that I…
"If you add oil to ANYTHING, including sawdust, you'll get a shiny coat."<br />
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That is simply not true. A severely malnourished animal will have a poor coat even if they get oil in their diet. It's not quite that easy.<br />
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Beneful may not be a top-of-the-line food, and that I can agree with, but simply putting oil in any old crap won't give a dog a great coat (or nails or teeth or muscle tone, etc). Beneful meets the nutrient standards and dogs can digest vegetable protein, which is not to say that I don't prefer seeing a food with animal protein at the top of the list, but sawdust + oil will give a dog that will starve to death, and along the way his coat will turn coarse and dull and likely even start to come out in patches, just like your own hair would if you had a host of nutrient deficiencies. One of the things that dog fo…tag:mycorgi.com,2009-12-11:1150197:Comment:5751222009-12-11T05:39:59.356ZJoanna Kimballhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/JoannaKimball
One of the things that dog food companies do know how to do is get a shiny coat and nice poop. They know that those are the two things that owners look for. It's pretty easy - Beneful adds soybean oil. If you add oil to ANYTHING, including sawdust, you'll get a shiny coat. The poop is nice and firm because so little of the food is actually completely digested; a ton of it is indigestible fiber and comes out the other end.<br />
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You don't need to worry about the label "natural" as much as you need to…
One of the things that dog food companies do know how to do is get a shiny coat and nice poop. They know that those are the two things that owners look for. It's pretty easy - Beneful adds soybean oil. If you add oil to ANYTHING, including sawdust, you'll get a shiny coat. The poop is nice and firm because so little of the food is actually completely digested; a ton of it is indigestible fiber and comes out the other end.<br />
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You don't need to worry about the label "natural" as much as you need to get more meat and less other stuff. Beneful - and this should not be at all surprising, since Purina is a manufacturer of animal feeds of all kinds - is actually very similar to something like their turkey food, except that they add a bunch of artificial colors and sweeteners and make the kibbles into pretty shapes.