Wolf/dog mixes? - MyCorgi.com2024-03-29T06:46:52Zhttp://mycorgi.com/forum/topics/wolf-dog-mixes?commentId=1150197%3AComment%3A1766440&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMy only experience with them…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-29:1150197:Comment:17690762013-06-29T07:32:57.084ZLauren Rae & Faunahttp://mycorgi.com/profile/LaurenRaeSullivan
<p>My only experience with them aside from on movie sets when they were not pets, but working animals, was in rural Kentucky. I went with my mom to look at a horse we where thinking of buying and the owner told us about her neighbors wolfdogs and how they would howl and spook the horses. Considering how dangerous horses can be when they spook, it really put me on edge. I heard them howl a couple of times and it was really erie. The woman told me she was always concerned for the safety of…</p>
<p>My only experience with them aside from on movie sets when they were not pets, but working animals, was in rural Kentucky. I went with my mom to look at a horse we where thinking of buying and the owner told us about her neighbors wolfdogs and how they would howl and spook the horses. Considering how dangerous horses can be when they spook, it really put me on edge. I heard them howl a couple of times and it was really erie. The woman told me she was always concerned for the safety of her children and horses because it wasn't just one wolfdog, this guy had a number of them. </p>
<p>I think they are beautiful animals, but probably best owned and handled by professionals. If you want a dog that looks like a wolf, get a husky/shepherd mix or something. There is no reason to have an animal as a pet that will bring out fear in your neighbors and other animals. </p> I personally am very fond of…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-28:1150197:Comment:17684212013-06-28T14:51:19.118ZMadeline and Bellahttp://mycorgi.com/profile/MadelineKraus
<p>I personally am very fond of wolves, but they are wild and I'd never want to break that balance of domesticated and wild by mixing wolf and dog. Let them be wild and free is what I believe.</p>
<p>I personally am very fond of wolves, but they are wild and I'd never want to break that balance of domesticated and wild by mixing wolf and dog. Let them be wild and free is what I believe.</p> Ludi, I had a Ferret for 10yr…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-25:1150197:Comment:17673692013-06-25T15:29:38.182ZAnna Morellihttp://mycorgi.com/profile/AnnaMorelli
<p>Ludi, I had a Ferret for 10yrs who was also very curious/intelligent (the two words are synonymous) and would get into everything. For the cabinets, my husband put in very strong magnets where they close ( we really had to pull hard to open them ) They also sell magnets that are for child-proofing cabinets, you need a special magnetic key to open them, my daughter in law had these when her three boys were little. There are a lot of child-proofing products that may also work for cats.</p>
<p>Ludi, I had a Ferret for 10yrs who was also very curious/intelligent (the two words are synonymous) and would get into everything. For the cabinets, my husband put in very strong magnets where they close ( we really had to pull hard to open them ) They also sell magnets that are for child-proofing cabinets, you need a special magnetic key to open them, my daughter in law had these when her three boys were little. There are a lot of child-proofing products that may also work for cats.</p> Oh yeah, mine have learnt how…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-25:1150197:Comment:17672032013-06-25T14:29:39.057ZLudihttp://mycorgi.com/profile/LudivinedeRavel
<p>Oh yeah, mine have learnt how to open and access pretty much everything. I have an entire nighttime ritual of taping up the fridge, the cabinets, locking doors in our flat, putting things away just to be sure that I don't wake up to a warzone the next day. But then, I've heard of domestic shorthairs being just as crafty and wily so it is a case by case basis. I have one Bengal who would't dream of making a mess, and his sister is quite possibly the biggest pain in the butt ever. :D</p>
<p>Oh yeah, mine have learnt how to open and access pretty much everything. I have an entire nighttime ritual of taping up the fridge, the cabinets, locking doors in our flat, putting things away just to be sure that I don't wake up to a warzone the next day. But then, I've heard of domestic shorthairs being just as crafty and wily so it is a case by case basis. I have one Bengal who would't dream of making a mess, and his sister is quite possibly the biggest pain in the butt ever. :D</p> I watched a documentary a few…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-25:1150197:Comment:17671152013-06-25T01:38:09.364ZLemmy Winkshttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Stirling
<p>I watched a documentary a few months ago. The mixes are not typical dog behavior, there for even if someone has raised dogs their whole lives... it's a different ball part with hybrids. I remember the one girl ( expert) went to a couples home where the lady had trouble getting her "dog" to stop rough housing, and the girl (expert) grabbed the dog by the scruffs, pulled it up to her face and bared her teeth at it. The dog instantly piped down. Everything about the dogs behaviour, positive and…</p>
<p>I watched a documentary a few months ago. The mixes are not typical dog behavior, there for even if someone has raised dogs their whole lives... it's a different ball part with hybrids. I remember the one girl ( expert) went to a couples home where the lady had trouble getting her "dog" to stop rough housing, and the girl (expert) grabbed the dog by the scruffs, pulled it up to her face and bared her teeth at it. The dog instantly piped down. Everything about the dogs behaviour, positive and negative, was much more assertive. <br/> And there's a sanctuary/rescue somewhere I think in California? where a lot of these dogs end up.<br/>They are gorgeous animals, but I don't think people should be seeking them out as pets.... Malamutes and huskies look very wolfish, and have the "wild" bred out.<br/>Mind you, I will admit, I know there are people out there, who are perfectly capable of raising hybrids, and do wonderful jobs; Also maybe not all the dogs need to be handled more like a wolf, and less house pet, but unlike most breeds, there's a bigger risk of "danger" when you're getting a hybrid "because its beautiful". That's how a lot of dogs end up in shelters and rescues, because the people got the dog based on looks and didn't bother to do their research. <br/>This is my thoughts on it anyways.</p> We met a wolf mix once at the…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-24:1150197:Comment:17669952013-06-24T23:59:00.961ZGinny and Diggoryhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Ginny
<p>We met a wolf mix once at the dog park. The owner said he used to work at a wolf preservation in Wyoming and this particular wolf was something like 15/16th wolf with one little part husky or something back in the lineage. He said ever since it was a pup it was super domesticated and spent its days with the people who worked there and so when this fellow left that place, he was allowed to take it because A) he was very well trained in working with wolves, B) the wolf was allowed to leave…</p>
<p>We met a wolf mix once at the dog park. The owner said he used to work at a wolf preservation in Wyoming and this particular wolf was something like 15/16th wolf with one little part husky or something back in the lineage. He said ever since it was a pup it was super domesticated and spent its days with the people who worked there and so when this fellow left that place, he was allowed to take it because A) he was very well trained in working with wolves, B) the wolf was allowed to leave the preserve because it wasn't 100% wolf, C) the wolf was extremely docile and domesticated. It was an older animal and spent the whole time just sitting by its owner, but it really enjoyed having people come up and pet it. It was such an amazing creature. His head was absolutely massive and you could certainly see how its huge jaw could be used to bring down prey. Also, his fur was ridiculously thick. I think my corgi has a lot of hair, but I've never felt anything like this. You could just bury your hair down in his mane. I don't know if I think wolf hybrids should be allowed by just any owner, but it was certainly a delight to meet such a beautiful and sweet animal.</p> Anna, thanks for sharing your…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-24:1150197:Comment:17668442013-06-24T01:30:36.802ZBethhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/Beth306
<p>Anna, thanks for sharing your experience. I will definitely add those books to my reading list. </p>
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<p>I understand what you are saying about anything other than F1 crosses. With the nature of genetics, it is theoretically (though not practically) possible to breed two F1's and get resulting offspring that are either genetically 100% wolf or 100% dog (again, practically it would not work out that way due to the nature of dominants, recessives, recessives with partial penetrance,…</p>
<p>Anna, thanks for sharing your experience. I will definitely add those books to my reading list. </p>
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<p>I understand what you are saying about anything other than F1 crosses. With the nature of genetics, it is theoretically (though not practically) possible to breed two F1's and get resulting offspring that are either genetically 100% wolf or 100% dog (again, practically it would not work out that way due to the nature of dominants, recessives, recessives with partial penetrance, shared genes, etc). Anything past the first generation is a guessing game.</p>
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<p>It is indeed true that the surviving timber wolves are shy of people. My guess (and I may be wrong) is that the common ancestor of the dog and timber wolf was more behaviorally varied, like the modern coyote: coyotes can live in packs or individually or (most often) in mated pairs. They can be primarily hunters and will sometimes bring down larger game, but are mostly opportunists who will eat road kill, eggs, vegetable matter, mice, etc. The wide behavior differences between dogs and wolves point to me to more than selective breeding (since the founding population obviously scavenged, or they would not have hung around human camps). It speaks to a split that happened since the domestication of dogs: Wolves have been persecuted for thousands of years, and so only those that stayed well away from people survived. As a result, they got pushed into many fringe territories and needed to be pack hunters of large game to survive. Their more behaviorally flexible cousins got themselves tamed and then domesticated. Wolves continue to survive best when they avoid humans completely. Dogs, on the other hand, survive best when they are affiliative to humans and the shyest typically end up in shelters or euthanized. The missing link-- the mid-behavior animals who are indifferent to humans and neither shy nor friendly--- have all been killed and most of their genes lost, though we may see them pop up again in modern wolves as their range expands in protected areas.</p>
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<p>If we were to start from scratch in domesticating canids, we would probably not even start from the modern wolf, but from the more flexible coyote. </p>
<p><br/>What I have read, in exploring the topic online, is that the unpredictable behavior in wolf-dogs comes from conflicting drives. Since they are often crossed with wolf-looking dogs, and many of those dogs are very people-oriented and can be somewhat aggressive, they have a conflict between the shy genetic behavior of the wolf and the forward, confident, guarding-type behavior of the dog lines they were crossed with. The result, as you say, is unpredictability.</p>
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<p>While it is true that those who study wolf behavior can likely predict it easily. most of us who have experience only with dogs cannot. I know I would certainly not want to live with one.</p> Mokey has other behavioral is…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-23:1150197:Comment:17666312013-06-23T12:18:28.183ZMarciehttp://mycorgi.com/profile/MarcieRussell
<p>Mokey has other behavioral issues as well. My vets have been very helpful through it all. When they attributed the behaviors to her bengalness, I accepted that. There are no feline behavioralists within driving distance.</p>
<p>It was like going from a couch potato pug, to a border collie in full fly mode. I was not prepared for the energy level or for the "I'll find something to do" attitude. I think the hybrid cat breeds exist and people are not informed about them.</p>
<p>Mokey has other behavioral issues as well. My vets have been very helpful through it all. When they attributed the behaviors to her bengalness, I accepted that. There are no feline behavioralists within driving distance.</p>
<p>It was like going from a couch potato pug, to a border collie in full fly mode. I was not prepared for the energy level or for the "I'll find something to do" attitude. I think the hybrid cat breeds exist and people are not informed about them.</p> I agree with Linda!tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-23:1150197:Comment:17664142013-06-23T11:41:42.299ZJane Christensenhttp://mycorgi.com/profile/JaneChristensen
<p>I agree with Linda!</p>
<p>I agree with Linda!</p> Anna....very interesting info…tag:mycorgi.com,2013-06-23:1150197:Comment:17664762013-06-23T11:24:42.186ZLindahttp://mycorgi.com/profile/LindaFeldbin
<p>Anna....very interesting info especially from someone who has actually been there.</p>
<p>Anna....very interesting info especially from someone who has actually been there.</p>