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Comment by Monica, Orion, and Laika on July 28, 2010 at 7:57pm

I got Orion at 9 weeks and he was a VERY easy puppy. He doesn't chew things he's not supposed to chew, he doesn't bite, etc., he's just a little love-bug. He was raised in the kitchen of the breeder's house with his littermates. Laika, on the other hand, I rescued at 9 weeks but she had been sold from her breeder at 5 weeks. This is early for a pup to be leaving her littermates. Being with their siblings helps them learn the difference between play biting and real biting and other social behaviors. Laika was given up from her family at 9 weeks because she nipped one of the kids in the house. We've been working on her nipping and biting problems and she'll try to take my shoes to chew or the side of rugs, etc. Orion has never EVER taken one of my shoes or wrecked anything in the house. I'm not sure if this is because he had more time with his family or not, I just know I've had to take a lot more disciplinary action with Laika who didn't have as much time with her siblings. Definitely wait at least till he's 8 weeks old to pick him up (unless all his littermates are gone and he's by himself anyways :/ then I don't think it will make a difference). Did you confirm with your breeder which pup you wanted or can you only say what color? I made sure to choose which pup I wanted from Orion's breeder so I didn't have to worry about someone else taking him

Comment by Alaina, Dyer and Odin on July 28, 2010 at 6:41pm

Thank you so much Monica for the the pictures showing the different phases of Orion! It's really helpful to see how a puppy can look as they grow. It would be interesting if someone was to make a site that showed the different color combination of a corgi from a puppy to an adult and how the colors and such can change. Orion has very beautiful coloring, I wonder how close in coloring Odin will be to Orion? Only time will tell but I'm just excited to be getting him in a few weeks! I just hope the breeder doesn't give ours to another lady. (there are two tri puppies, Odin and another boy but Odin has an all white muzzle and the other one does not.) Last time me and Dyer went to visit him the breeder had tried to hand us Odins brother. It did make me a little worried at first, especially since she does not seperate the puppies when people visit but I'm sure everything will be fine. Another thing I would like to ask is, is it ok if a breeder starts to give the puppies away at 6 weeks? My breeder is doing so but I told her I wanted him to be atleast between 7 and 8 weeks before I took him home. I(and my parents) have always in the past gotten my pets when they were 7 to 8 weeks, never younger. So I wanted to see what everyone on here thinks about that?

Comment by Amy and Marlee on July 28, 2010 at 6:30pm

Carol Rea - I think your dog is a sable also. One theory about a sable is that the dog has a red/blond gene and a black headed tri gene. Normally, red/blond gene should cover up all black. But in a sable dog the red/blond is incomplete and lets a little of the black show through.

Comment by Carol Rea on July 28, 2010 at 1:39pm

Thanks Beth, he has the black you can see on his face, and a VERY FAINT (sometimes I think I am imagining it) black saddle marking. I thought he needed the saddle. Lucky, of course,has the saddle. I will have to look at him in better light, I think he is a sable with those lovely eyes that say FEED ME

Comment by Beth on July 28, 2010 at 10:12am

Carol, to be a tri the dog needs to have a solid black "saddle" on its back. If your dog is red with a little black "cap" on the top of his head and around the outside of his face, that would be a sable.

Comment by Carol Rea on July 28, 2010 at 9:59am

Our Sonny has been called a tri by our vet, but the only black on him is on his face - he is on the left in this photo and on our page the one on the rocks or checking out Lucky on his cart. The vet told us that because he has that black on him it makes him a tri - is this so??? He is a rescue (both dogs are) I clicked on the website given here but there was nothing about tris. Anyway, just curious about what the definition of a tri really is! Alaina, I think Odin is adorable, no matter what he ends up as.

Comment by Kristen on July 28, 2010 at 9:58am

I agree that he will be a red head tri. From my experience when the outline of the inside ear is black with a little black triangle at the top you will have a black faced tri. If the inside of the ear is completely red you should end up with a red face. From your pictures I think you will have quite a bit of red on the body, but will retain a lot of black. But, like you said, never a sure thing! The only sure thing is that this is going to be an adorable dog!

Comment by Amy and Marlee on July 28, 2010 at 3:36am

Monica, you have great pics of the color change. I love how dark red Orion is. I makes a nice contrast. I was hoping Marlee's tan would darken, but I don't think it will.

Comment by Amy and Marlee on July 28, 2010 at 3:25am

There is another color not mentioned, sable. It is discussed at the bottom of the first page I linked to. The brownish puppies might have a sable gene. (I am a little more ignorant of how these puppies change color.) But many people are sold puppies that have a sable look as puppies but grow up to be solid red/blonde. It is interesting that the genetics page states that it has been said to get a sable a breeder should breed a red to a black tri.

Comment by Amy and Marlee on July 28, 2010 at 3:16am

The bottom puppy looks to be black and white. If so this is a mismarked puppy. It is missing or masking the tan/red gene. The AKC allows registration of mismarked dogs, but they don't let them show in AKC dog shows. They would not like the gene to be passed on to future corgi offspring. AKC is trying to keeps the Corgi genes pure, and not the genes deemed uncorgi like. In fact AKC has a black and white box to check on the puppy papers, but it is marked with an A and not an S for standard colors. Sometimes there may be an accidental breeding of another breed that is passed as a pure bread dog. It could even be several generations back, essentially 99% corgi, but the other genes pop up once in a while. The other dogs look very much corgi, so I would guess it's a miss mark. I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows, but maybe a very young tri might look black and white at first and then the tan/red shows up later.) Here is a link to the AKC color page http://www.akc.org/breeds/pembroke_welsh_corgi/color_markings.cfm

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