Who thought jealousy could be so cute?
Kodi is our 2.5 year old tri male. About 6 months after he calmed down and got out of his puppy stage, we decided that we wanted another corgi. I did some research and found that males were best suited to younger females, so we got a female sable named Riley. They love each other, but Kodi is more...passive than dominant, and while she has calmed down a lot from the wild puppy stage, she is still more energetic than him and tries to always jump in front of him or climb on him all the time. Kodi has expressed his jealousness by hiding under our bed and sulking, if she gets on the bed too, or by fighting with her. I think their fighting is just play fighting, but most of the time it's Riley wanting to play, and Kodi just being annoyed...but he knows better than to fight back really, he just defends himself. He also does this horrible growl when we pet Riley...like a sad howly growl. Riley isn't the only one he is jealous over...whenever my husband comes and tries to lay down with me or sit next to me or hug me, Kodi HAS to jump in the middle, and if he can't he will sit there and growl! I know he isn't aggressive when he growls, its more of an attention growl...but will he ever just get over it, or do you think he will always be jealous? Also I am about to have my first child in a few months...I hope he doesn't get even more jealous when the baby comes.
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Permalink Reply by NoClaws4Alarm on
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Just be very careful.
We thought Sadie wasn't the type, too... and when exhibited jealous behavior over her little brother, Rolo, we thought was harmless. It was very similar to what you describe. Shying away, sulking. Warning growls.
Long story short, he jumped, she bit him. She injured Rolo seriously with one bite to the face almost costing him his eye and puncturing his cheek near the gumline. The attack came out of nowhere and happened so quickly, my husband and I still can't agree on exactly how it happened... just that we never saw it coming. I don't even thing she growled! This happened when we were both in the room and WATCHING them!
We have pretty much kept them separate when we aren't there to closely (hands on) supervise them and have even considered a dog behaviorist for Sadie. She's a rescue and apparently there are some issues there that we haven't been successfully addressing with regard to her socialization with other dogs.
I would take any jealousy issues seriously... and maybe I'm being over protective, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.
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Permalink Reply by TexasCorgiMom on
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Oh man that sucks! :( Poor Rolo!!! how long did you have Rolo before that happened? Kodi is great with other dogs, always has been...so I am not too worried. I am highly confident that nothing serious will happen, and he has also been through a lot of training, through man's best friend and with us. They kiss each other a lot, and while he acts jealous, it's only of our attention. He isn't outright mean to Riley ever, and as long as one of us isn't giving her attention, they are best buds. She just sometimes wants to play too much. I think his going under the bed thing is how he gets away from her, when he doesn't want her to play with him.
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Rolo was 5 months old when this happened. I'm just guessing that Sadie (whose 6 now) just got tired of his puppy antics and was taking it upon herself to discipline him since we were obviously not doing it.
I'm thinking that somewhere in this, my husband (paws4thought) and my status as pack leaders was falling in her eyes. I take a much more active role now in keeping them both in line and for the most part it seems to be working. I was told today that Rolo was being nasty to Sadie and jumped at her face (PANIC!!!!) and Sadie growled but stepped back and allowed my husband to take control of the situation. Rolo was removed from people presence as a punishment and has been sulking since, but he got the idea loud and clear. Play nice, or not at all.
People say a lot about training dogs, but I think it's my husband and I who have gotten the bigger bone, in terms of training.
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Permalink Reply by Charlie on
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With a baby on the way, I would put both Kodi and Riley on the NILIF (Nothing in Life is Free) program. (Do a quick Yahoo or Google "NILIF" for several short articles.) You'll have your hands full with a new baby, so it's probably a good idea not to allow the dogs on the furniture anymore. Kodi is being a brat by growling when you and your husband want to be close, so a house rule of no dogs on the couch, bed, etc should stop that. Jealousy and growling may only result in sulking and grumbling, or it could escalate into aggression (like NoClaws dog did). It does suggest thay he may be trying to raise his ranking in "the pack". I'd make sure he knows his place now before the baby comes.
Congrats on the upcoming new arrival! : - )
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Permalink Reply by CaptainCorgi on
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It sounds to me that Riley is far to hyper for Kodi's taste. The same thing is going on in our family now. My sis' Borzoi pup, who is 14 weeks old, is very hyper with Eowyn. But, she use to be the same when she was a puppy, always wanting to play play play, but now she's calmed down. She growls and snaps at him when he gets to rambunctious. I always break up the playing scenes if he gets to hyper. And I don't allow it to continue for some time. If he doesn't listen, I usually give him a time out in the bathroom.
As for the attention seeking he is to you and getting his nose out of joint when your husband sits next to her, I would remove him from the couch and not allow him to continue that behavior. If he whines and protests when doing so, I would ignore him until he is calm and quiet. Then I would love all over him. But, for the baby, sorry I have no advice. I've never been around babies and have no clue how to interact with them. Sorry!
I hope everything turns out okay! Good luck!
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Permalink Reply by Vladimir on
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I think it would be best if you stop him from jumping in between you and your husband. I'm not saying he will, but I've seen many dogs who've started out by placing themselves between wife and husband and as time comes, they grow more and more aggressive. It would be best if you remove him from the couch, bed, or whatever he jumps on to separate you from your husband. As for the playing, I would calm them down by sitting them both down when enough is enough (If you feel as if the playing is getting too aggressive or dominate) and a firm 'NO' -- For information on the baby subject, I would suggest introduce them both to the scent of the baby (like baby blankets, baby stroller, baby crib) before the baby actually arrives. Other then that, sorry, I am no clue when it comes to babies...
Just make sure neither of them escalate beyond your comfort when they are playing or when Kodi jumps between you and your husband. Hope some of this helps :-)
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We do stop them...but it never STOPS it. Like Kodi will always do it again. He will stop when we tell him to stop though.
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I'm guessing here, but you're probably being a little too "soft". If you think the jealousy is "cute" and you let him jump between you, then laugh and pet him, then say "Ok, enough", then "Get down Now" he is getting mixed signals and not taking you seriously. Having some success will make him keep trying the behavior over and over. You need to be serious with him and don't let him attempt to jump between you at all.
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Perhaps you should give him a time out. We give our borzoi a time out in the bathroom when he gets too rough with our corgi or when he does something that he is not allowed to do. Consistency is the key. Just keep at it. Keep telling him no and make him remove himself from the scene, don't remove him yourself (like picking him up and placing him on the floor) a leash might help in that sense, so if he does jump between you and your husband, you can grab his leash and pull him off. Another thing, stop him before he does it. If you see him moving towards you and your husband, stand up (you or your husband, or even both) and stop him either with a no or a hand on his chest or back. Just keep in mind, it takes more then one time with dogs. Nothing ever goes the way you want on the first time. It took us over a year with out corgi to get her where she is today...and let me tell you - she was horrible! She would never listen and would always ignore us all the time and keep doing whatever she wanted. Now, I can trust her with anything.
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Permalink Reply by Sam on
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You really need to change the dynamics of your home now. Sounds like you have one very possessive dog and one that is wishing to be top dog. Do some research in the NILF program and set some new rules in your home. This behavior should not be tolerated and I can assure you it WILL escalate. Possessiveness is a very common corgi trait and one that is often not noticed until there is a change in the family. They should never be allowed to possess anything from their family members, ever! Sounds like Kodi would do well to have a safe place to get away from Riley when he needs to. Also sounds like it may be time to intervene on Kodis behalf regarding Riley's constant nagging. She needs some controlled energy outlet such as an obedience class and controlled game playing to help her bleed her energy. Riley too could use an obedience class to help you learn how to direct his behaviors of jealousy and possessiveness. While Kodi does have a right to tell Riley when he has had enough he should not be expressing growls at you when you pet her or when you and your husband is near. These are major red flags. NILF will be helpful for both dogs for very different reasons but most of all for you to have a harmonious relationship. Good luck!
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OK, so today we took the steps away from our bed. Our bed is too high for them to jump on, but I am reclaiming my bed! I am gonna take this one step at a time...We have free lifetime training for Kodi at Man's Best Friend and I am going to call them to get kodi refreshed. However I am not willing to pay the $400 or so for Riley to get into the program there, so I will have to work on her on my own with what I learn in training with Kodi. So my question is...at night, where do they sleep? riley can go in her crate...but Kodi is fine, he will sleep on the floor on a pillow, is that ok or should I lock him up too?
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I agree...$400 is a little too much. Sometimes self training your corgi with what you've learned in the past, if the best way. Then the corgi will know who the boss is, directly. Reclaiming your bed by removing the stairs is a perfect start! You can put the stairs back when you 'allow' them to come up on the bed, only if they behave themselves.
As for the crating, I wouldn't crate them if they don't need to be. If Kodi sleeps on his pillow at night without any problems (such as trying to get on the bed, crying, etc) then I , myself, wouldn't crate him. If Riley goes through the night without any problems as well then I don't see a need to crate her, but if you crate her at night anyways, then yes. :-) These are just my suggestions, you can do it in whatever way you feel comfortable. Good luck and don't push yourself too much :-)
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