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Comment by Wind Dial on July 15, 2010 at 3:40pm

I think Kathleen is talking abut DDC for the DM and for the vWD she is referring to the jack you around InGen company. I trust that if the patents for DM to MU come into effect, DDC will drop the test like a hot potato to avoid penalty and cease all operations on it. The way they process the test and collect money, they can actually do that since you don't pay for the test until you send in the swab so there is no prepaid testing for them to have to reimburse if they discontinue it at a moments notice. InGen on the other hand so whacked I don't even know where to begin. They were like that from the beginning. I did buy some tests from them back when they started and learned quickly it was a bad idea. It started out ok but went downhill quickly. DDC doesn't charge that much less than OFA so I just go with OFA from the git go and have it official and that way the results are also compiled with the rest of the research. A single test through VetGen for vWD is $140,,,,if you find a group doing it you can get them for $99 which I usually buy a handful at a time so I always have them on hand at the $99 rate. As for fluff, with a Pembroke it's a little different, it is either a fluff or it isn't, not much speculation. I've recently acquired a Cardigan female and looks a little plush to me but can't tell. But I'm sort of new to the breed, researched on them but still learning. I do like to venture in the show ring with my guys and if it wasn't my luck the nicest pup in that litter was a fluff. I think it just adds a technical issue to selecting the next generation and just try to avoid it within reason. Again, just one tool of many in selecting mates.

Comment by Cindy on July 15, 2010 at 3:28pm

Let me clarify a little--I'm in the middle of writing a thouand emails and got a little distracted.

I do not knowingly want to produce fluffs, but since I do know that all my dogs are carriers and that is the least of my worries, if they do happen in a litter, then oh well. Other then breeding a known fluff, that is the only time the criteria of finding a non carrier mate will come into consideration. In all actuality, my fluff puppies are usually the easiest to place.

My next litter, just by chance is a non carrier to a carrier. Didn't do the breeding with that in mind but just a nice happenstance. And that's also considering what I might want to do with one of those pups down the road, it's an even nicer coincidence.

Comment by shelley power on July 15, 2010 at 3:25pm

cindy, this is very cool interview done in ..think it says 1987.. with Margaret Sullival ( Talbot) I do not know who that is however it is an interesting article:) Guess she bred and showed cardis and pems
http://www.cardicommentary.de/PDF-filer/Talbot.pdf

Comment by Cindy on July 15, 2010 at 3:19pm

And see, I don't have an issue producing fluffs. I know all my dogs carry the gene. I even have an affect stud dog, as in a fluff boy. See that picture to the left? That's Eddie, CH Beaszak's FoggyBotm Uncle Fester CGC TDI RN. Big time major wins on his was to a quick finish. He's getting tested as many feel he isn't a true fluff, while other do. If he is, I'll still use him but only on bitches that aren't carriers.

I've had litters with one fluff, two fluffs or out of 8, four were coated. If I felt it was the best out of the litter, yes I would keep the dog and see where I go with it. I am more concerned about serious temperament issues then cosmetic. And there are a lot of nasty dogs out there there were chosen over their coated siblings.

Comment by shelley power on July 15, 2010 at 3:13pm

hey all Here is an interesting post just came on showpem listserve.. they reading our mind or what? How odd a comment on this topic ... today.. I will post just as the it appeared on list serv

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:01:50 -0600
From: Kathleen Mallery
Subject: Re: Various DNA tests available for DM

Many people have emailed me off list asking what I thought of the "other" company offering the DNA test for Degenerative Myelopathy.
I have my own opinion based on personal emails between myself gentleman who keeps sending us emails of
solicitation. This AM I was prompted to call Dr. Coates about this before I answered, yet another, email on this subject.

I just got off the phone with Liz Hansen, head of the lab at U of MO. Dr. Coates is out on vacation.

The "other" lab is strictly a "for profit" lab. They do NO research, spend NO $$ for research that I am aware of. All they do is
process the swabs and take the money.

University of Missouri (collaborating with the Broad Institute) did all the research and IS DOING all the research for the DM study.
They have received grants from outside sources but they have also spent their OWN $$ on the study. They have PARTNERED with OFA.
They process all the swabs sent to OFA.
OFA compiles data and provides it to the public. The DNA test for DM IS NOT "COPY-ABLE"! The U of MO HAS applied for a patent,
therefore, anyone doing the DNA test without their specific licensing or permission IS IN PATENT VIOLATION and subject to legal
remedies.

U of MO HAS NOT verified or validated the "other" company's DNA test for DM so we have no way of knowing if it is, in fact,
accurate. We saw, exactly, this same issue with the vWD test. Many went to another "lab" for their test because it was cheaper
finding out later not all that lab's results were accurate. As I told them then and will say again....if you want a Cadillac you
don't go to Volkswagen!

There is another issue here as well....loyalty. What's wrong with financially supporting the group that has spent their own money
and innumerable hours dedicated to bringing us this valuable test/information? $65 is the cheapest, VALID DNA test out there today,
that I know of. When financing was up in the air, Dr. Coates told me, personally, she would continue this work on her own if
necessary. Does the research team not deserve to recoup SOME of their expenditures? Reputable breeders feel we can charge X$ for
our dogs to recoup some of our breeding expenses. What's different? People say we charge too much then go to BYB, pet stores, etc.
but end up with a, perhaps, lesser quality dog that may or may not look like the "real thing"!

Another bit of info I received was U of MO is currently looking for a second mutated gene that is responsible for the age of onset
since this is such a "broad window". If found they can provide a secondary test to identify this area of the disease which is
problematic to so many of us. We also know they are working on the "why" of the disease's selectivity. AND don't forget, the Broad
Institute has collaborated with them from the very beginning, so we have MORE researchers involved. The more the merrier, I say!

I am not one to say "I told you so" but, for me, some things just aren't worth compromising due to cost. You usually get what you
pay for!

Kathleen Mallery
CASTELL PWC/CWC, Reg.; RKC Pheasants
Parma, Idaho http://www.angelfire.com/id/castellpwc
Support Corgi Rescue http://www.corgiaid.org
Very interesting ? NO?

Comment by Wind Dial on July 15, 2010 at 3:03pm

But at the same time, I'm not trying to eliminate fluff carriers, just trying to avoid matching potent carriers together. I have bred other fluff carriers before and didn't get a single fluff in the litter. I guess the potency just wasnt there. But, coat length is a lot different than a health issue but the genetic principles would be the same that we can use to learn from.

Comment by Wind Dial on July 15, 2010 at 3:00pm

This list of things to look for when pairing dogs can go on and on but something I recently ran into was a litter of 9 pups and 5 of them fur balls were fluffies. I tried ignoring the possibility when I bred the two and sort of paid for it. Stud was tested carrier, mom wasn't tested. You don't usually get that many if you get fluffs, I guess mom and dad were extra potent for the gene. Now I avoid breeding either that sire or dam to other tested carriers since I know they are so prepotent for passing it on. I have a normal coated pup from that litter that I am sure is probably a carrier and probably only breed her to fluff free's since her bloodline was so forthcoming with the gene.

Comment by shelley power on July 15, 2010 at 2:55pm

WIndial, interesting stuff!!! And it isnt a bad price, comparatively, but I guess I guess I as I said I think , and that could change, that It would be great to send dna for Dm to further study .. but and I guess It would be interesting to know if dog carries this mutated gene, but I am not sure what that info would really tell me just yet.. Vwd, Hips , eyes etc all pertinent health related testing ... I think is worth the cost... but as you and cindy said combined with other educated breeding practices do these help the breeds!! and You all have way more experience than I so KEEP TALKIN!!! more input the better!!:))))) can never cease to learn in this endeavor. I was just reading somewhere , unlike some other breeds , corgi people have taken a lead in cooperating with each other and sharing information on health issues and breeding practices/lines etc to the betterment of the breed... kudos..

Comment by shelley power on July 15, 2010 at 2:41pm

Cindy, you will have to take lots of pics/videos at the corgi frap! Sounds like it is gonna be a blast..

Comment by shelley power on July 15, 2010 at 2:40pm

just washed and rinsed mine and it will take me an hour to comb thru all the tangles in my waist length hair.. hate shampoo days!! Easier to do the dogs:(

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