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Comment by Cindy on June 29, 2010 at 9:41am

Cornerstone was used by a pembroke breeder for awhile. Currently the cardigan breeder with that kennel name is in FL. There are also a lot of other breeds using it in their kennel names. Like my son's Summit prefix- let's see golden breeder....lots use that one too.

Comment by shelley power on June 28, 2010 at 8:28pm

well I now cannot for the life of me find the site again.:(((((( mabe I linked back to us from finland.... I quit I am brain dead now...

Comment by shelley power on June 28, 2010 at 7:29pm

ok so tried to get back to the first site where I saw "cornerstone" name in the line cant find it again, but here is abnother finnish ( i think site I ended up at.. interesting...
http://www.kolumbus.fi/geestland/

Comment by shelley power on June 28, 2010 at 7:17pm

sorry cindy maybe brain isnt working so well asking these questions in public forum..so if thats a no no ..oops.. we dont need names or "trade secrets" LOL
just wanna get to the end of the "yellowbrick road" hahahahah GAWD have we met? hahahah sometimes my brain acts like a kindergartners and you must know this because I AM actually following what you are explaining HAHAHAHA!! this is because I am left handed BTW

Comment by shelley power on June 28, 2010 at 7:12pm

OMG Cindy I was just just bobbling around online after a long talk with Vicky, and as I tried to explain to her, my boy as I have found from researching.. comes from what I will call old stock.. not a lot of showing going on in his immediate background, so after a little digging which now that you mention "cornerstone" and translating hahahaha there are dogs in the background like back in the 60's 70's ect that go back to names of sire and dam I traced back to europe.. finland, by way of ..... so I looked up Finnish pembroke welsh corgis and came across ( wish I had bookmarked the site now) a finnish kennel , now I have to go back and find it.. and they have cardis as well as pems and omg I thought of you immediately and uncle russ. they have present cardis with "cornerstone" in the names and they are gorgeous! anyway, back to follow the yellowbrick road..hahaha I was trying to see why I am so insanley fixated on the "type " of pem I am ..and wanted to in a lopsided way try to figure out where these particular traits I am so attracted to come from in my boy and short story, I really had to search back in time to find photos of pems that are built this way... and my search kept taking me back to european bred lines , and interestingly a lot of the dogs I absolutely love have tails... and are apparently from Finland, go figure I live on the iron range in MN..little finland..
oh brain in gear one of the kennels I ended up at was named annline kennels? Finland. I will find the name of the other in a few.. I was going to go back to it and grab some photos of the pems and email to vicky .. oh well now you have opened a can of worms hahahahahahaha
so back to the 1/2 brother and 1/2 sister... whos sire? and who is the dam common to your 2 foundation dogs? and ok follow to the neice you bred the male to.. whose outcross? yours or the breeder in question? and so who does the neice have in common or who is the outcross there?
And I agree .. with you from how you are explaining totally about tightening down on at least one bloodline before outcrossing to dogs you want. that makes perfect sense to me and I have seen about enough of the "dog du jour" theory of breeding...and understand tightening down the bloodline most likely to reproduce the qualities you want to reenforce in the line before you outcross..so alrighty then following so far still hahahaha( thats saying something for me LOL)
so now while waiting for you to catch up with answers hahahaha segway back to the "cornerstone" line you mentioned.. this is the very thing Vicky and I have been emailing back and forth ( she listens to my rambling) I had no particular reason to be at the site that happened to also have cardis but as soon as it opened, the very first dog that showed up was cornerstone something and I was IMMEDIATELY ENCHANTED, and I dont really know a single thing about cardi breeding! My brain said ..OMG LOOK At that dog! so now I come back here and what do you say but mention this very line how weird is that?????? so next question can you telepathy me pem breedings hahahahahaha
and Vicky I was just posting before I saw results thay corgis dont seem to go BIS around here and poof a cardi wins :) SO like you, I say JOB well DONE! I am bout sick of seeing the same OES taking group1 too hahahahah give the little nolegs a chance!
on another note the cardi that won BIS where Iowa cities? ... also beautiful dog..Not that i should even have an opinion in cardi world , but again I instinctively waas drawn to its look and build.. as I was to your two you had at the show. I now wish I understood what it was that "excited "me looking at your two and your telling me they were related.. now after this post I cant remember exactly how but remember commenting to you at the time that I felt you had hit on something quite good that they were both had obviously gotten just the right qualities from the respective breeding.. I have no knowlege of cardis and dont know one line from another but gut knew that what produced peterman and "uncle russ" was a very good thing...

Comment by vicky hyde on June 28, 2010 at 4:36pm

i think it's fantastic that a cardie went best in show. it's really a congratulations to all cardie owners. for some reason, our litte no-legs seem to be over looked when it comes to that part of the show. i may have pemmies but a corgi is a corgi and i'm darn proud of it, whether there is a tail or not. congrats to everyone. what a great weekend for all.

Comment by Cindy on June 28, 2010 at 3:58pm

Another long story. The breeding was actually the male I co-owned with them and a bitch we kept out of our first co-owned litter with those breeders, but they were not co-owners. See if you can follow-our two foundation dogs are 1/2 brother 1/2 sister by the same sire. We bred the male to his niece who is from an outcross breeding. Not sure on their rational on why not do the breeding, it made very logical sense to me.

I wanted to tighten down on at least the one bloodline before I outcrossed to dogs I wanted to use. I'm totally not into random breeding, ie stud dog of the day or bloodline dejour.

Anyway the funny part is that I offered them Marg(actually offered many people Marg) but they refused. Two years later when they saw Peterman's mom(Marg and her mom are litter sisters) at a show with her first co-owners they tried to lease her behind my back. Of course I co-owned her and wouldn't allow it. I can only imagine that they were thinking that maybe, just maybe I was on the right track? Well several years down the road, they have breed almost the exact same breeding and well, got nothing like I did.

Most of my dogs go back to Fred and Phoebe-our foundation dogs. I've brought in a couple other complimentary lines-Pluperfect, Sisterwood, Cornerstone, Cardiridge(the finnish stuff) and Camelot. All are still some what related way back in the lines. I've also got Kennebec sitting in the wings-aka our Eddie and another line also. See where I go in the next few years.

Comment by shelley power on June 28, 2010 at 3:39pm

OMG Cindy cant imagine heartstopping not only to have your son in the accident but dogs as well.. How awful! Miracle it didnt turn out worse. And how nice to have Marg finally healed and shown again!
OH the lovee boy I met is marge's son?? Just love him:)
hahahahahaha NO LEGS thats great hahahahahahahah
One of my biggest fears is over traveling with the dogs in a vehicle. I have all kinds of safety thingys but have decided I feel safest when they are in crates tethered to the vehicle. I take them around town and to the lake here in safety harnesses which tether to tie downs in the floor of the back of my vehicle and a pet barricade, but any further and they are in crates. Here where I live we have lots of hunting and field trials and they come from all over with special vehicles which look like kennels on wheels. Each dog has an air coned compartment .. they are pretty kool but I wonder how they would hold up in an accident:( we also see a ton of local hunters constantly with the dogs in the back of open pickups loose or tied to the truck by their collars. Makes me sick and is illegal now in MN but not enforced very well..:(
Well what a story Marge has!! I have been sick over Spunky's pinched disk injury since May.. I cannot imagine the emotional toll of such a serious injury to such a loved animal:(
I have to ask, so why did the breeder not want to do the breeding that you wanted? Were they pair both hers? or was one yours and one hers? Just curiousity.. And how did you manage to talk the breeders into this breeding?? LOL

Comment by Cindy on June 28, 2010 at 11:29am

For those of you who don't know Marg's story, it started 5 1/2 yrs ago with a breeding that the breeder of my two foundation dogs told me they wouldn't do in a million years. I got the last laugh out of this one. It was all about ego in their reasoning as they have attempted almost the duplicate breedings themselves with no luck.

Marg was majored out as a puppy taking multiple BOB's along the way. She took some time off to grow up then went out to get her last 3 singles at 14 mos. On the way to the show, it was the morning after a big snow storm, my son Alec rolled and flipped his truck, landing in the ditch right side up. Two of the dogs with him were unharmed. Marg broke her upper left arm in two places creating a v shapped floating piece in her arm, then a break across her elbow.

We were not sure if she would survive, be sound or even able to go back in the show ring. We had an awesome orthopedic surgeon and 5 mos later she walked in the show ring at the national specialty. More time off to get really sound then we decided to breed her. Two awesome litters later-one group placing dog, 3 additional champions, performance titled dogs and several dogs doing therapy work.

She got 1 pt last fall and we were looking for her last 2 when we decided upon the suggestion of my dear friend Kerri Carter, to send her to Iowa City this weekend. The biggest issue with her is that she hates to show, rather be chasign the cat. Outside shows are the best, buildings you struggle to get her ears up as she has a very pretty head piece.

Xray's are up on her page on our website. I have other photos too. I can't even tell you the hours spent on this dog, the people who helped us along the way nor the $$ spent to fix her.

But I did promise her boy that I would fix her!

Comment by Cindy on June 28, 2010 at 11:06am

I had personal plates a few years ago, before the demise of my suburban. They said NO LEGS

Sooo many people at the shows knew exactly what breed it was too. The joke for me was doing therapy work and the seniors always asked " where are those little dogs with NO LEGS?" So when my regular plates got stolen at a dog show, yes you read that right, I was determined to get something fun and that no one would steal again.

I'm actually getting that plate again and my hubby is getting LOTOLEG--as in his clydesdales and their very long legs.

Russ is one of Marg's kids, fyi :)

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