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Comment by Cindy on October 27, 2010 at 1:42pm

My guess would be 8. The usual technique is that 1 head + one spine = 1 puppy. Okay this is funny, but you're missing a few heads in there! Good luck---they are all tangled up there and a few look to be breach. Hope she gets them turned around.

Now I've gone to doing a belly up photo to count, not a side on. This way we can also measure the heads and compare it to the pelvis opening and determine if there might be any issues with whelping. Also gives you a better idea of what puppies or how many are up in the horns.

Comment by shelley power on October 27, 2010 at 12:54pm

now thats a puppy pile!!! hahahahahaahah hard to tell if not a radiologist LOL but looks like three at least and then there seems to be more little spines,, and could be one behind another,,, LOL what the vet think???

Comment by vicky hyde on October 27, 2010 at 12:53pm

cool picture. i won't guess, but do believe i see a few in there. what did the vet say?

Comment by Teresa Kannard on October 27, 2010 at 12:42pm

Puppy count how many do you think Fiona has

Comment by shelley power on October 27, 2010 at 10:54am

guess I should re word a smidge..
not nesessarily the long time kennels... but the "Big Names" oh well digging hole deeper but .. for failure of how to describe, but most will know what I mean LOLOL

Comment by shelley power on October 27, 2010 at 10:24am

Well Cindy, I for one dont think ?flame suit?necessary.. I think that was well said and explained, and agree, how ever I will add... the playing with fire.. side comes in realizing just how much skill and experience is required to discern the difference.. Conformation titles are not always all that and a bag of chips,, so ?champion lines" advertised dont always necessarily mean a dog is ?show worthy" or best to breed, and as I go along in the process of gaining experience in the Pem and trying to learn about cardis, it has become more and more obvious to me that very few breeders use this knowledge well... by that I mean... its either the top, long time kennels with all the "champion bloodlines, that only breed those "winning dogs" or those who are less than experienced using the fact that there are ancient titled dogs in the background to justify and advertise "champion lines" to sell puppies....
The more I go along and the more I follow breeders I respect and learn from, the more I see the incredible amount of patience and knowledge it requires to know and use the difference to be committed to the ultimate wellfare of the breed going into the future, not just in the sometimes political world of winning ribbons... This dog game can seem a very "closed" world at times, and it seems to me the struggle to learn and gain experience is un ending....
However, that said... there are those out here who ARE following the "dozen" and I think as a result of many breedings and selections and choices along the way, usung all the knowledge and making the kind of choices and info you mention.. this litter will surely contain more than a few of those dogs who will go on not only to be champions, but also do well in furthering the longterm viability and quality of the breed going forward.... and as a relative newbie to this arean, I dont think the average pup buyer realizes the years and dedication that goes into getting to this point...
just my opinion and observations......
thanks for the post Cindy and risking the firestorm:)))

Comment by Cindy on October 27, 2010 at 9:27am

Figure I'll put on my flame suit now as this is a topic that came up on another forum just this week.
Unfortunately, champion lines doesn't always mean that the dogs produced are show dogs. Too many times people fall into that thinking. I have a couple of dogs that aren't champions that factor heavily in my bloodlines. There are many reasons why a dog that isn't a champion might be used or why the dog isn't a champion-injuries, bad events, etc. The old adage is "not every champion should be bred and not every non-champion shouldn't be bred".

Let's take the Dirty Dozen-multiple group placing parents, champions in the lines, great dogs with working titles. But not every puppy will be destined to be a show dog out of that litter. I as a breeder am responsible to the breed's long term viability, must take it upon myself to weed out those puppies who have faults or not so perfect structure, cosmetic features or temperaments that would not be in the best interest of the breed. I could have advertised five generations of champions, multiple working titles and group placings, sold all the puppies are show/breeding prospects. But that would not have been in the best interest of the cardigan breed. Instead we determine who best fits the cookie mold put forth by the breed club as to a perfect dog. None are perfect, but many have traits that we can't live with and some have traits that we know we can improve on with the next breeding.

And everyone who's been following the Dirty Dozen for the last 8 weeks knows how hard it is to figure out which to keep and which needs a good pet home.

Comment by Cindy on October 27, 2010 at 9:19am

Well bummer, I'm sure we can get you hooked up with a few corgi exhibitors out your direction.
You might consider doing obedience, rally or agility with her-that tends to keep their minds more occupied then actual conformation showing. Start by checking out some local training facilities, watch a few of their classes as a visitor and then get her signed up for a beginners or puppy kindergarten class.
Not all corgis develop bad behaviors from inactivity. The key is to understand your dog and know what they need in order to be happy and content. I have a couple cardigans that want nothing more then a cozy couch and full bowl of food, where as I have a little b/w heathen that is a "bee on a string" Never stops and constantly getting in trouble.

Good luck!!!

Comment by Katie & GiGi on October 26, 2010 at 6:20pm

Actually, to clarify, I bought her from a kennel in Iowa but I currently reside in New Hampshire (though I'm seriously considering a move to the west coast).

I did not buy her with the intention of showing her specifically but she has 'champion' bloodlines and she's really smart, likeable, and a good listener.

I think it would be easy to direct her. I also read that when Corgi's start to get restless it's a good idea to bring them to shows with competitive herding so that they can use their innate skills. I'm worried she might eventually develop behavioral problems if I don't keep her busy because I live in a small apartment and can only do so much for her by myself.

Comment by vicky hyde on October 26, 2010 at 5:09pm

glad you found us here. you will learn alot and never be afraid to ask questions. all of us are more than happy to help new people. we are in wisconsin and hopefully will be hitting some iowa shows next year. joker needs to get out and get finished. we only have 14 more points to go. welcome to the group.

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