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Comment by vicky hyde on December 16, 2010 at 2:57pm

still like the dark male. the rest are looking nice. but it seems to me that when my eye catches one, i have a hard time changing my mind unless something drastic changes. but, i'm a taurus, what can you expect. are you fading away from the pemmies? you don't ever seem to talk about them anymore. how's jazz-razz-tazz??? i guess sandy's getting a little bit of our snow. we can welcome her to the "snow-dogclub" ask trixie, she'll tell ya.

Comment by Teresa Kannard on December 16, 2010 at 2:44am

AHHHHHHHH!

Comment by Teresa Kannard on December 16, 2010 at 2:44am

week 6 is up take a look.  Trying to freestack.

http://www.kannard.com/LD2010puppiescardis-week6.html

I am keeping 3.

I am having a hard time choosing between 1,4, and 8?

 

Which one is pick male do you think and which is second?

Comment by shelley power on December 15, 2010 at 10:41am

HAHAHAHAh you are da boss lady HAHAHAHAHA you show him wherever you decide!! LOL He will show well for anyone when I am done with him!!! Like my pem.. he will show for anyone doesnt matter who is on the end of the leash!  MS can show him too!!!  I will have a ball with him !! He is so attentive for this age and learns so quick! really wants to please at the same time maintains his own personality!! A perfect student!!  I am gonna have to fidgit with that one ear tho, and he isnt gonna like it LOL I think... wish we had a better picture taker at his first match! he was soooo good and remembered everything I had taught him... but I couldnt prepare him for the evil neon green ribbed matting LOLOL and that is the only thing he  balked at!!!! Did everything else perfect! amazing for such a young pup who had never been in a show environment before !!!! A GREAT EXPERIENCE! AND ms DIDNT DO ANY HARM IN HER "SPOILING!!!!

Comment by Cindy on December 15, 2010 at 10:37am

Oh and I keep getting asked what happened to the "red" puppy?  That would be the HUGE red brindle boy that now lives in a pet home in TN.  I got the "rejected" Christmas card photos today and he's super cute.  As soon as I get my card in the mail, I have permission to scan it in and share.  His Uncle Chopper(puppy's grand sire, Chopper's sire) is every bit as handsome too. 

Comment by Cindy on December 15, 2010 at 10:05am

Okay, I'm sooo happy!  Ms Shelley sent me Chipster photos today and I have to brag---he looks sooo much like his daddy, but BETTER!!!  I'm kind of giddy about it all.  The joke in the house is that the Ms(aka the youngest child) gets to pick the show puppies now.  She picked out Russ and spoiled him rotten as a puppy and her pick this time around was Chipster-he too spoiled rotten before heading to MN.  At least we get to show at a few shows, right?

Comment by Cindy on December 14, 2010 at 1:45pm

Hey, that's great.  The only thing I might add is that regardless of the fluff gene or not, you also need to address the quality of the coat.  A soft silky coat is no better then a short tight coat with no undercoat.  Fluff or not, if the coat is not a correct texture, length or has proper undercoat, it's not better.

A great and wonderful woman who I love to claim as a mentor in this breed told me once that by constantly breeding fluff free or non fluff dogs to each other and avoiding the true fluffs, can have a serious impact on overall coat quality in the breed.  I've seen this with people who will only breed non carriers to non carriers.  There is something in the fluff gene that is essential to the correct cardigan coat.

Regardless of Eddie's outcome, he's a keeper in our book and has so much to offer in our breeding program.  Under that blue is one of the best structured dogs I've seen and we were very blessed to have multiple judges award him 4 pt majors knowing that what was underneath out weighed his coat. I don't have a blue dog because I like blues.  I have him because I need him in my lines!

Fluffs in general, are very easy to place.  I was super blessed that the Dirty Dozen were all normal coated.  But that only made it harder to choose.  And I'm at a point where I can hold back a fluff or a mismark if the structure is there.  Actually did that this time around with the mismark b/w.  Owners have agreed to reevaluate her at 6 mos and if she passes muster, will keep her intact and possibly breed her in the future.

 

Comment by shelley power on December 14, 2010 at 12:57pm

HAHAHA Teresa... no kidding.... dont think I will ever get it figured out!! LOL

Was reading  yours and Cindy's comments... sams coat is totally different than her Eddies tho... you would think  a gene that might carry "fluff"  would mean if you got a fluff it would clearly be a fluff, as described in the standard... but seems there are so many variations...  sams coat has that long elegant look while eddie s coat just looks to me like he got a really thick full undercoat, like a bear in winter LOL... I am sure I dont know how  these genes produce... LOL  there are Pems like this too...  with  really long sorta hair, and then there are those that  have shorter hair but really really thick plush sorta undercoat... I think of fluff when expressed more like   the exagerated length of outer coat and "silkies  around ears  and longer silky outer coat and along underbelly...

 I have seem pems that I swear need to have hair cut so doesnt hit the ground! LOLOL fluff in corgis reminds me more of the kind of hair a golden retriever is supposed to have and in the same sorta places???

 But what do I know... guess I would test and  and match according to result if trying to avoid  producing fluffs??? but what the hell do I know? LOLOLOL

Comment by Teresa Kannard on December 14, 2010 at 12:40pm

We fluff  tested Sam a long time ago as I was not going to keep a fluff that is why we passed up the black and white male Terragon for Sam,  Terragon was shorter in leg but tested to be a fluffy and sam test a one and one.  But still for a glamor coat he still has a lot of hair but it has changed a lot and at least now has a nice coarse texture but still is a pain in the but to get ready to show.  Maggie his sister tested to be a one and one and she has a short short coat....I don't know how these genes work for it but it just goes to show when you think you have everything figured out you learn something new.

Comment by shelley power on December 14, 2010 at 9:28am

 depends on what your goals are? I think you need to pick the pup that will allow you to go forward into  the next generation based upon what you want to achieve in structure.. which pup has the traits you need to correct what you  feel you lack in the current pair... if one or more have the same traits you feel are potential faults you are trying to correct.. then  rule them out... it seems very hard to do this and I am not sure someone not privy to your particular breeding plan can evealuate .... so... it falls on YOU LOLOL  I am thinking you had particular goals  for breeding this pair... so I would look for  those things on that list you in this litter you were trying to achieve? Best I can tell you:) I am only beginning to train my eye for correct cardigan structure... So I am probabl the least qualified to give any kind of advice LOL

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