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Comment by Bartleby on August 27, 2011 at 8:37pm

@ Debra Solomon & Chloe:

 

Do you have any pics of Chloe younger?

 

@ Beth:

 

I agree the giant ear long skinny body is awkward, but I wouldn't say he's fugly lol. BTW I love corgi pics with the tongue sticking out. Sometimes Bartleby sticks his tongue out in mid standing up trick, so he's just sitting upright staring at me with his tongue sticking out and I have to stop myself from breaking out laughing. As I've seen on some websites, the tongue droop adds to the corgi "derp" factor.

Comment by Solomon & Naomi's Page on August 27, 2011 at 8:13pm

My Chloe when I got her did not look like a pemmie.  It took her 2 years to begin to fill out and look like a corgi.  They are like a baby, they change every day!!!  But I happen to think he is a cutie patootie!!!

Comment by Beth on August 27, 2011 at 7:02pm

By the way, as a puppy Jack would stop traffic, he was so cute.  And as an adult, he gets tons of comments about how handsome he is.  But between 4 months and about 8 months, all anyone EVER said about him was "Look at the ears!!"    In fact, at one point I looked at him and thought "I love you to death, but gosh I HOPE you won't look like this forever."   Cuz he was fugly.

Comment by Beth on August 27, 2011 at 6:59pm

Nope, Jack was never quite as Cardi-looking as Bartleby, but here he is at around 6 or 7 months.  Notice the lack of chest, big ears, and thinner face.   Jack as an adult has a very typey head; if show dogs were judged on head alone, he'd have been a keeper.  :-)     But at that age...  er, not so much.  (the tongue poking out just adds to the dopey look).

 

Comment by Wind Dial on August 27, 2011 at 6:19pm

He looks full Pembroke to me. Yes he does have BIG ears and he does tend to have a funky front end but he is a puppy.  I had a very well bred Pembroke once that is now tied for the National #1 PWC spot in UKC right now that amazingly had the same "cardi" look to him as a puppy. 

 

Another example this past Monday dropping one of my boys off with a show handler. An 8 month old on the van that I could have swore was a Cardi at first glance and was stunned to find he was a Pem.  HUGE ears, crooked front and the dog is sired by a current nationally top 10 ranked dog and from an equally well bred Pembroke dam.  Even the handler admitted that he looked a lot like a cardi at his current state, this puppy is major pointed already.  Wish I had some better pics to show the resemblence.

 

And the sutty muzzle is nothing to worry about. There are entire Pembroke bloodlines that carry this trait. It is perfectly acceptable in the breed. 

Comment by Bartleby on August 27, 2011 at 6:08pm

@ Beth:

I took a look at some of the younger pictures you have of Jack, and he looks much more like the breed standard than Bartleby does. I have yet to run across a photo of a purebred Pembroke at 5-6months of age that closely resembles Bartleby. Even taking his markings out of consideration, his proportions are longer and leaner than any other Pems I can find.

Comment by Beth on August 27, 2011 at 5:21pm

Looks like a purebred to me.   The smudge on the nose is not common in Corgis, but does happen, and is probably why people think he looks like a mix.   When Jack was that age, he looked like a jack rabbit:  all ears and skinny body.    My Maddie is a retired show dog who titled and people still ask what kind of mix she is, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.  

 

Here's a finished champion with a similar set of facial markings:

 

http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pembroke_welsh_corgi/pictures/12462...  

 

Ch Corgard I Deliver 'Em. 

Comment by Jane on August 27, 2011 at 5:10pm

Well, one really should care about breed standards as that is what makes the breed a corgi. The standard is not written just for a "pretty" dog, but one that is solid and sound and won't break down as it ages. When you have people breeding dogs with no care for complementing structures (as BYB often do), you often end up with pups with dippy toplines, poor rear drive, wide fronts, long loins, etc. Not that every puppy a show breeder produces is going to be perfect, but you have a better chance of getting a good sound dog from someone who is trying to produce pups as close to the standard as possible.

Comment by Bartleby on August 27, 2011 at 4:58pm

Although regarding the snout, sometimes I think Bartleby's markings make his nose look even more narrow. The placement of the black along the white on his face I think makes the snout appear more narrow than if it were tan or white.

Comment by Bartleby on August 27, 2011 at 4:56pm

@ Judy & Alan:

I know he'll change his looks quite a bit by the time he's full grown, but I think Bartleby looks quite different than Sarah C's Didi at the same age. The nose is shorter and wider, body looks smaller, legs look less bowed, but that may be in part due to a more petite bone structure and the way she's sitting. Didi's face looks a lot more like the breed standard, as well as like most pembroke corgi pics at that age I come across.

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