Submissive Peeing?
Has anyone had any problems with this before??
I went and searched all I could about it... I can't tell him 'no' or anything, I just kinda gotta ignore it according to most of what's out there, and to praise him when he doesn't do it.
It started probably a couple weeks ago, after he got in trouble for chewing on stuff he wasn't supposed to... I screeched out a 'No' because he was starting to eat/chew on a plastic bag that we had on the floor filled with groceries. Yes I know we left it in reach, but I didn't expect that as we watched him while putting up groceries ((he normally stays way back because we're moving about in the kitchen)). But now he's doing the little pee thing when we go to get him out of the crate, put his leash on him, loud noises happen, or we pick him up. D: that is the worst one, I went to give him lovings because he hadn't had many that day, and I get him up to me and he ducked down and piddled a little on me. He tried to then after that snuggle up to me and I guess apologize, but I had to put him up and take care of the mess. :(
He's only had 2 real "accidents" in a while, and they happened while we were doing something else in the other room and didn't realize he had to go so soon. He still does the excited puppy piddle when he gets too excited while playing, but I know it's the submissive pee by how even after we take him outside, he does his business, he will come back in and if something spooks him, or we go to play with him, he does the little pee. I don't know why he does this, he does this with me, Joe, and most of my family. I even try to do as some of the instructions I found said, "Don't stand when calling, get down low and don't bend over him. Greet him calmly and scratch under his chin." but before he even comes near us, he does the little piddle thing and then slinks over to us.
I can understand if it's mostly the loud noises because we have told him 'no' rather loudly ((and my family and I are loud people)), but it's just being approached in general. He seems normal and happy otherwise. He loves playing and snuggling with us, but only after the submissive pee. Am I doing something wrong? I've only gotten onto him twice for the submissive peeing ((because I didn't know what it was till I went online to find out what's going on)). Otherwise, I just kinda sigh, clean it up and love him anyway.
We need to know how to handle this, because if it doesn't stop, we might have to get rid of him.... And I really don't want that. He's smart and sweet other than this problem, but if it gets out of control we don't have the resources to do it ourselves and we can't afford the trainer.
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Comment by Emily & Scout on January 4, 2012 at 7:35am
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My mixed breed Hershi (lab / beagle / Aussie) did the submissive peeing for a while as a puppy. Good thing is, as Beth said most dogs do, she grew out of it. Her personality is and always has been more shy than anything (esp. compared to Scout the corgi, a social butterfly), but she is almost 15 now and still a great dog. My only advice to deal with it (if you haven't already) is to keep the crate in a hard floored room to make it much easier to clean. Good luck.
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Comment by Bev Levy on January 3, 2012 at 7:02pm
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I am assuming that he has been checked for an infection? If he is healthy and young he will probably outgrow it. We had a Golden that did it for greetings. I Just trained him to "go to his place" (a rug in the kitchen) and did not release him for greetings until the excitement had died down. Another suggestion would be to take him to classes. It will build his confidence and a good trainer may have some suggestions for handling him a little differently.
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Comment by Beth on January 3, 2012 at 6:35pm
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Here's another very good article:
http://www.hilltopanimalhospital.com/submissive%20urination.htm
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A search for submissive urination brings up tons of good resources, because it's a common problem, especially in puppies. The idea is not to put any pressure on the pup. Greet calmly, turn away when you greet, keep your voice calm and body language relaxed. Management is also a key; greet outside or in easy-to-clean areas. There are some good tips here:
http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/submissive-urination?page=3
Most pups outgrow it. Most of the dogs who continue to do this into adulthood are female, and usually from very soft breeds (spaniels, goldens, etc). I've occasionally seen very sensitive Border Collies do this too, again usually females.
I always am very slow to remark on other people's lives because none of us knows what it is like to walk in someone else's shoes. However I must say I was frankly stunned when you said you might have to give him up for this. MANY puppies submissively urinate, and regardless pups will still have accidents til they are a year old. Anyone who cannot cope with some piddling in the house perhaps has a house not set up for a dog. Cats spraying I can understand; cat pee stinks to the high heavens and cats will spray on corners, drywall, surfaces etc and absolutely ruin everything. But I've lived with more than one dog who submissively urinated and/or excitement urinated to some degree for her whole life, and it's fairly easy to manage and easy enough to clean up when you forget to manage. Of all the problems people run into with dogs (thunder phobia that keeps them up all summer, serious dog-aggression, bad allergies, dietary intolerances, repeat injuries with costly treatments, fear of men, etc etc) this one is really not so hard to handle.
Good luck, be patient, and chances are he'll outgrow it if you follow the steps in the many good articles online. Here's another:
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/dogs/tips/submissive_urination...
http://www.cesarsway.com/tips/trainerscorner/Submissive-Urination%20
The other thing is you shouldn't clean up in front of him
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