Romeo is only 4 months old. He isn't neutered, and i don't want to neuter him yet T___T. Is it okay to neuter him after he has babies? Like when he's 3 or 4?

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Comment by Derek on September 13, 2009 at 6:47pm
I agree that it would not be wise to breed your baby, but for different reasons. I feel the AKC is actually doing a dis-service to many breeds. By limiting the gene pool to severly, it increases the risk of deformities thru inbreeding. Thankfully they no longer do line breeding, but that used to be popular. Breeding a father with a daughter to ensure certain traits are continued. Not ethical, but it is still done by some back yard breeders.

The reason I would not breed him is simple. You have to shell out a fair amount of money to obtain registration, get his hips and eyes tested, and then find a proper mate. It is an expensive pain in the butt. His blue eye is cute, and I would not find it as a reason to disallow someone to breed him. My worry is also, you may accidentally breed him with someone who is a close relative. A high likelyhood if you live near a particular breeder. My neighbor breed her female dog and had several litters of still borns, and they eventually had her fixed. In short, it is expensive, it messes with the health of the mother, and it is really hard when people are not exactly sure what they are doing. You are better off not getting involved.

And you can call the breeder to find out if he has papers, if so you have to pay ~$50 to have it switched over to your name, if you have had him for more than a year. I never bothered with mine, and that is why many breeders do not bother to register pet quality dogs, because many people will not bother re-registering the dog unless it is breedable. It just costs them money.

ps. If you are a nerd like me, try reading this issue of Bark magazine. I love looking into genetics and Kennel Club policies. There is a great article comparing the UK's kennel club and Sweden's. It is really cool!
Comment by Rachel & Romeo on August 28, 2009 at 7:06pm
thank you Abbea. I'll concider it.
Comment by Alice on August 28, 2009 at 12:35pm
Romeo having a blue eye does not mean he is not all Pembroke Welsh Corgi. It can show up from time to time but is considered a fault. The only Corgis allowed to have blue eyes are the blue merle cardigan Welsh Corgis like my Finnigan. If Romeo is not registered and the breeder didn't offer the registration papers then there is a chance that he has something mixed in his line that would make him unregisterable. It's hard to say. The breeder should have given you papers at the time pf purchase or mailed them to you and you would then have to fill them out, come up with a name to register him under (like a show name) then send them to the AKC who would in turn send you the registration. If none of that sounds familiar then i would say he is not registered. He is adorable regardless. :)

I'm glad you are going to have him neutered after all. It is healthier for the dog and will help to avoid unwanted behavior. That's a very responsible decision to make and hopefully your boyfriend will support you in it.
Comment by christy fry on August 28, 2009 at 10:45am
How sweet a corgi for your birthday!!!! And a boyfriend that remembers you have a birthday even better!! LOL
I'm just kidding if my bf remembered my b-d I'd have a house for of rotty's he likes the tuffer ones. With Romeo's registration/doe's he have it/ how to get it. You could ask some of the breeders or beth, bev, jane (sorry I can't remember last names I don't really know these guys)they should know judging from their responses to disscussions =0
Just a side note I never registered Jordan, His paper work is sitting in his file
I also do not plan on persueing any registration on Teagen girl either
Comment by Bev Levy on August 28, 2009 at 10:08am
he can have blue eyes and still be a pure bred corgi. The cardigans can have blue eyes and the Pembrokes and Cardigans used to be considered the same breed until sometime in the 1930's (I think) . It is certainly possible to have many variations in a purebred dog that are unacceptable in the show ring. We even have a group for mis-marks on this site and they are adorable. That being said, as has been pointed out there are many excellent reasons to have him neutered and change your dream of a corgi family to include unrelated ones(cancer, marking, medical costs etc). He looks like a real sweetheart and I understand your feelings but believe me the medical costs alone are reason enough to leave the breeding to professionals.
Comment by Abbea and Vivi on August 28, 2009 at 9:21am
It's for maintaining the breed standards. Since blue eyes are not in the breed standard (although awesome looking I must admit) the trait should not be passed on. It's not a law, only a suggestion in order to preserve the breed how it is supposed to be, and dogs that have too many faults cannot be registered (as far as I know) by the American Kennel Club because that is their main purpose, to maintain and protect the different breeds. What I feel about the subject of breeding is: don't decide to do it on a whim. It takes a LOT of work, time, and money to bring up a litter, not to mention it can be very dangerous for the mother (from your last post it sounds like you would not just be using Romeo as a sire, but you would own the female corgi as well, and I don't think you want your female in danger for a whim). Emergency C-sections are not as uncommon as you would like to think; they cost thousands of dollars and the situation that necessitates that can be deadly for the mother and the puppies. Also, raising up to 10 puppies at one time is hard enough for reputable breeders who give them homes at 8-12 weeks of age, so keeping all of them probably wouldn't be in your best interest or the puppies'. It would be a lot of work... Anyway, I'm not trying to be mean, and I know a lot of people already told you these things but I really think you should leave breeding to the reputable breeders who breed for quality and also health and temperament.

I don't want to leave you with a sour note, so I want to say although Romeo is not quite quality breeding stock, he's such a cutie!!!!
Comment by Rachel & Romeo on August 28, 2009 at 1:41am
lol i agree christy, it doesn't make a difference in the love department. Im not sure if he is registered but i think so. Not really sure --___--. I got romeo has a birthday gift from my boyfriend. There wasn't anything that i had to get him neutered. just that he had to get his shots. I want to get him neutered if that will make him healthy, but my boyfriend wants him to breed so we can start a corgi family. (we want to keep all our future puppies) I really don't know why a blue eye corgi can't breed, or does that have to do with state law? I live in new york.
Comment by christy fry on August 27, 2009 at 11:39pm
Is Romeo registered??? with Jordan I was given all paper work needed to register him at time of "purchase" he was a limited pup I had to sign a contract stated that I would provide proof of neuter by 8 months or she would come take him back!! No big deal breeding things holds no interest to me. Now with Teagen, her breeder was up front about the fact that she was not registering the litter I was given her lineage so I could obtain register at my will or not. She came with no retrictions also, she may be cute but isn't the same qaulity that my boy Jordan is. Teagen will not be bred either. So Romeo may be pure welsh corgi but just not qaulity like my girl Teagen all though none of this makes a difference in the love department =)
Comment by Rachel & Romeo on August 27, 2009 at 3:04pm
hmm.. thank you for all the information. I didn't get any limitation from the breeder, but i think i'll get him neutered since it will decrease the risk of cancer. But i have a question. is romeo a mix if he has blue eye? His grandmother had blue eyes or so been told. Also the breeder told me he is a pure welsh corgi? He was also the last one choosen from the breeder, maybe that is the reason why people didn't choose him because he had two different color eyes.
Comment by Alice on August 27, 2009 at 11:47am
I agree with the above comments. Only responsible breeders should breed. Of course everyone thinks their dog is special and has traits that should be passed on but the reality is, if you purchased your puppy on limited registration he was most likely deemed not show quality and you should not breed dogs that don't meet show standards, or if your pup has show potential but was sold on limited registration it is because the breeder doesn't want to encourage breeding and therefore the pups will not be recognized by the AKC and depending on what your purchase contract states, should the breeder find out about the breeding they can seize the dog and puppies due to breech of contract. If you are serious about becoming a breeder you could talk to your dog's breeder about changing the registration but with the amount of white he has and the blue eye, I don't think they would agree to it as these are considered faults. There are other tests that should be done before breeding such as checking the eyes and hips so unless you are willing to invest in such things, you should reconsider breeding. Finnigan was sold to us on limited registration though the breeder said he had show potential but we had no plans of showing or breeding him. People have asked if we would sire him out but I wouldn't want to have an unaltered male and as it turns out, he has bad hips and we wouldn't want that to be passed on. You can neuter at any time but the younger they are the better chance you have of avoiding behavioral and territorial issues plus he will heal faster as a youngster. We had Finn neutered at 8 months. Hope all this information helps you.

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