Question...
I recently read this blurb on a site, "We do have a 6 year old retired breeding female available for adoption. She is free to a good home. Very sweet and playful. Was house trained but has been in a kennel for a few years, will need a refresher training."
So my question is for you breeders or anyone in general who knows... why would she not be trained? What does having to do with a kennel have to do with not going indoors. Is she literally in a kennel ALL the time hence going to the bathroom in there as well? Is this "normal" practice after they're done breeding. Is there something I am not getting? Just kinda makes me sad reading that and was wondering what it all means.
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Permalink Reply by Karen Dadisman on
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She was probably in an outdoor run type kennel either attached to a building so she could go in and out or with a dog house for shelter. Good breeders usually have their dogs in the house or at least rotate them in the house part of the time and other dogs inside part of the time. They usually don't have so many dogs that they are in kennels all the time.
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Permalink Reply by Rachael & Waffle on
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No, for a responsible breeder, this is certainly not normal. :S Unfortunately, this is such a common practice that many do think it is normal and humane. As Karen said, most breeders worth any weight will have a rotation system so all dogs get house time every day, or have some other thing in place so all dogs can spend quality time with the family inside. Ideally, the dogs will spend most of their time in the house, especially if the dog is a small-medium dog like a Corgi. I understand not being able to keep 15 Danes in the home... but if it's possible, it should be done. No dog should be in a kennel (inside or outside) for such a long time. Dogs should be part of the family, not a cash crop.
"Retired breeding female" sounds, to me, like she is a puppy mill producer, especially with the knowledge that the dog has been outside for years.
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Permalink Reply by Elyse & Caese on
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awww this really just breaks my heart. I wonder how long a little refresher is. Are they harder to retrain than train from a puppy? Might be a stupid question.
Thank you guys for the insight!
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Permalink Reply by Shelley Garland on
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Our breeder has her dogs in kennels and brings them inside under extreme weather conditions (here in North Texas we've had 39 days of temps over 100 - yeah). It's half indoor half outdoor (and by indoor, it's a nice size shed with fans/heaters). They each have their own "run." The outdoor area is PLENTY large for them to run around or splash around (they each have kiddie pools for cooling off). And she (our breeder) does adopt her dogs out after breeding - she never keeps them. She's VERY picky about it though. She wants someone who is going to give this dog the easy life for the rest of their life. So in short, yeas, pretty much, the dogs are in their kennels all the time. It's not all indoors or in a small cage-type kennel, if that's what you have envisioned - at least I hope not. :)
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Fortunately (as well all know), Corgis are highly intelligent and house breaking shouldn't be too hard - she's only 6, not 13 :) Honestly, I think it would be easier than house breaking a new puppy. BUT I could be wrong...
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And I disagree with Rachael & Waffle - not in a mean or disrespectful way, of course! We go see our breeder about once a month and I assure you those dogs are WELL taken care of. She always allows pregant females to stay inside for the duration of their pregnancy (she has cool tiles throughout her home).
OBVIOUSLY I cannot speak for all breeders. Sadly, a lot do overbreed and neglect their dogs. And puppy mills are a SICK display of how disgusting a human can be. Either way, I'll stop "answering" your question now - ha! I would answer, then scroll down and see what others had written :)
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Yes, I immediately did think the worst and think it was a rather smell kennel like in some shelters where its a corner for sleeping, corner with a pee pad and then a corner with a water bowl. From reading the answers I assume she is not being "mistreated" (also what do i know??) but I find losing that quality/training of being house broken is somewhat unnerving to me. She might be in a better situation than some others we hear about, but it still doesn't really sit completely well with me.
The place you describe (Shelley Garland) sounds lovely! Your lucky to have found/be near a breeder like that. Sounds like quite the lifestyle for those guys!
Thank you all for your responses! :)
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Permalink Reply by Jane on
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This is completely my opinion but I would never buy a puppy or dog from someone who kept their dogs in outside kennels, no matter how big or nice they were. That is not a responsible breeder IMO. Dogs are part of the family and should live in the house.
As far as housetraining, treat her like you would an 8 week old puppy and I'm sure she could be re-trained very easily.
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Oh ya, I definitely definitely wouldn't purchase through them. Obviously my opinion as well and just the vibe I get from the site from that excerpt i posted above. I was just looking around for breeders in the near future because I am starting to save up for corgi #2. But reading that about their 6 year old makes me feel bad for HER.
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Permalink Reply by Laura Jones on
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Last year I was asked to take one of my breeders dogs she was retiring. Her dogs are all housebroke and they do spend a majority of the day outside in a big fenced yard. The only problem I had with Molly after bringing her home was that she had accidents from not knowing the routine at our house. My dogs are inside most of the time but we have gotten used to the fact that when they need to go out they go to the door and wait to be let out. I would love to have a doggy door for them like we used to but since we are now renting that isn't an option. Anyway, she had some accidents until we all got used to each other. Now the humans know what her cues are when she needs to go and she knows what to do to get our attention. She does still occasionally have accidents but she pretty much limits it to the linoleum (spelling) and I think part of it may be because she was used for breeding maybe she doesn't have as good of bladder control as the others? I know that humans have this issue from having kids so it makes perfect sense to me that if you have multiple little feet dancing on your bladder you might have issues lol.
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Awww that was sweet of you! Good points about the bladder. Didn't really think of it that way, but makes sense.
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Permalink Reply by steve smith on
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Laura--Why is that not an option? If you ask the people that you rent from..you could buy the screen door and put the doggie door on that and keep the door you have taken off and put it back when you leave.
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