Does anyone have experience with an all-in-one martingale style collar? It's like the all-in-one kennel lead/collar, but instead of a plain slip collar, it has a martingale collar. Here's a sample (not to endorse a particular seller; I was just poking around online.)

http://www.amazon.com/Martingale-Style-Lead-Mendota-Red/dp/B0013LRF...

Just to explain what we are looking for: on a normal walk, our dog wears a buckle collar and leash with all his tags.

We do not leave a collar on around the house, for a lot of reasons. Whenever we take our dog out, we put on his collar and leash.

We don't have a fenced yard, so when we go out to potty we just clip on his collar. The combo leash/collar would replace his regular collar for potty breaks and car trips, not for regular walks. Kerry's story in another thread of a dog breaking his collar and getting loose on the highway scared me, as Jack is mentally incapacitated when it comes to cars and would cheerfully step right in front of one without a moment's hesitation. What I am looking for is something secure enough he would not slip/back out of it, and easy to put on and off. Before I spend money on stuff that does not work, I thought I'd ask around. PetSmart does not sell all-in-one combos, but the nice lady there recommended the martingale style over the regular slip style, as it releases more easily when the dog is relaxed.

Jack isn't a terrible puller and is more inclined to balk behind me than pull so hard in front that I need a choke collar (though he will pull a bit).

Thanks in advance for your feedback! If you haven't used one but have experiences with something similar, I'd also appreciate hearing.

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Hi Beth, An obedience instructor that I really respect recommends this type of collar as a very humane alternative to the choke collar. My corgis don't pull but the dobe is like a freight train! I had to go to the awful prong collar in order to contain her. I am hoping to go to the martingale collar eventually. My son has never enforced the no pulling with her so she is six years old and very set in her ways. That exhausts my knowledge of it. Bev
I like the looks of that design because it eliminates some hardware. I'd make my own and substitute knots for the leather parts. Unfortunately, it means the dog must wear 2 collars, because this has no place to put the tags, and you don't want tags on a collar permanently attached to a leash.
I really like our homemade Martingale slipover collars. AL & Gwynn do not wear collars indoors not always in the fenced yard (some risk here, should they get loose, but they are chipped).
I put some thought into making the system as light as possible, cutting out the adjustment buckles and stitching permanently once I got the length right, with lightest possible hardware. It's pictured in the collar FAQ. The hiking leash is stronger, with a tiny steel carabiner strong enough for belaying.
LEARN THIS: make an adjustable self-tightening slip-knot hand loop at the end of a cord leash: tie an overhand loop maybe 10" long, make a twisted bight/loop in this, and pull the other side through. It's easily adjusted or removed. Amazingly useful knot. You can make it one-handed at any point in the leash.
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I'll check out your system after work, when I have some more time to look at it.

Jack is chipped too. There is some risk to leaving a loose dog around the house with no tags, but we are in and out so much in the summer, and this way I don't have to worry about him getting hung up and hanging himself if we go outside and leave him in.
Sidney wears his regular buckle collar with tags all the tie, but when it is time to use the leash, we have a leash attached to a martingale collar


like this one. I found it at PetSmart. Like Bev, this one was recommended to us by our highly respected trainer. This way we just slip the collar over his head. We also knew he'd be able to back out of his buckle collar in a flash and we did not want to use a full choke collar either. It is a great set-up and I'm glad we found it.
Yes, the backing out thing is a definite worry. In the summer it's not so bad, but when Jack is in full coat in the winter he carries a pretty good ruff and the result is his head is a bit smaller than his neck. If he really were to back up fast he could get his regular collar over his ears. Again I'm not so worried on a regular walk, as he's not too likely to do that, but at a roadside rest where he might spook, or going in and out of a parking lot, or something like that, I'm more concerned.
Yeah, they are "pin heads" aren't they. Those necks get really big and collars become difficult. Good luck!

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