Myths about Raw Feeding
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Permalink Reply by Sam Tsang on
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I'm sorry to hear that Carla, politics comes with any territory, doing research for someone you actually respect makes a world of difference. I'm not sure what sector you're in, but this is your career and you only live once, don't settle for mediocrity, live, move fast and break things :)
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Permalink Reply by Sarah C. on
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but if we choose not to trust anything at all we might as well get out dousing rods and tool the food aisle with them.
i think it's ok to trust a study that has good methodology from an institute with a good reputation. -
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Permalink Reply by Melissa and Franklin! on
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my friend was telling me about an article she read in her graduate nursing class that was talking about all these past "scientific studies" that were the basis of MAJOR medical decisions and how many of the studies were never even repeated and some of the scientists doing the studies were skewing the results to fit their opinions, this was happening in HUMAN medicine so imagine what it would be like in animal nutrition studies where there are many many companies out there looking to profit. I'm trying to get the name of the article for you.
I guess it just teaches you to look at the methods, the number of animals used, and if the study has been repeated with the same results. I think some of the best science these days comes from graduate research because it is peer reviewed every step of the way, from the establishment of methods, to conducting the study, to defending the thesis, and then to trying to get it published by scientific journals. I'd love to see a grad student/PHD student at one of the big vet schools do a feeding trial and see what results they get. At these institutions it wouldn't be hard to get a number of dogs for the study, the research institution I am attending has 11 dogs and we are a very small low-funded institution so imagine what one of the bigger more highly funded institutions could do. -
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Permalink Reply by Kari & Quin on
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I think dogs are meant to eat what ever is available to them. I am sure that before the invention of kibble when a dog was a helper to his humans they ate what ever the farmer or rancher gave them or what ever vermin they could catch. i know that my Grandmas dogs always ate left overs and if there where none they got kibble but mostly table scraps but that isn't left over Mc Donalds, it was roast and veggs. Or chicken parts when they butchered, and bones that were cut from the meat cause there where no boneless cuts back then. Everyone has the responsibly to feed their dog the best that they can or want to. Most dogs eat better then their humans no matter what they eat kibble or raw. Dog food company's put in their food what the consumer whats that is why almost all dog foods have switched to rice instead of corn and when we find out that something else is better they will switch again or else no one will buy their food.
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Permalink Reply by Beauty and the Beast on
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No, thank you. Last time I fed my dog raw he got worms.
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Permalink Reply by Aber, Ragnar and Kelso on
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Umm, that would indicate to me either that 1) he got worms from some other source or 2) you fed him wormy food. Think about it--if you fed him the same chicken you were going to eat yourself, but you cooked it for you and he got worms from it, then you just ate bad chicken, filled with worms, but they were dead. It's not acceptable to feed your dog nasty rotted unclean raw food--that's even worse than low quality food from the grocery store. It's the same rational people give for why raw milk and unpasteurized cider are the culinary devil. Do you realize that cider makers, if they pasteurize, use dropped apples? Meaning they lie around in cow poo and the like--then they just zap the cider to kill the living bacteria, but the fact remains that the poo was there. Conversely, non-pasteurizing cider makers have to used apples off the tree that didn't lie on the ground--the apples are of better quality. Likewise, if you've ever seen footage of factory farms and dairies, you'll know the horrifying conditions cows are kept in, covered in their own feces; feces which gets on their teats and into the milk. But pasteurization kills the live bacteria, so the poo is "harmless". Again, conversely, raw milk dairies must adhere to scrupulous cleanliness standards and can't allow their cows to be covered in their own dung. I tend to like the idea of clean and natural rather than dirty but healed by science and I would never feed my dog some food I thought was questionable, just like I wouldn't take it home for myself and rationalize, "well, if I cook it it will just kill any problems". I'd like to think we've moved beyond the middle ages in this way.
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this is not actually true, I'd like to know where you got your meat that was 100% proven parasite free. 81% of chickens have campylobacter which is picked up by their normal pecking habits, Also, hookworms and tapeworms are very common in raw beef, no matter the source. Its virtually impossible to 100% eliminate intestinal parasites in a grazing animal. By nature they are commonly and consistently eating grass that was at one time or another contaminated with feces. Unless you are getting your meat from a source that feeds only in feeding troughs, the animals are at risk of infection by parasites. With grazing comes parasites....its that simple. The only way to eliminate the risk or parasites is to cook you meat.
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Your account is also not completely accurate. You can also kill parasites through flash freezing.
But yea. Almost all food will have some bugs in it.
Because this is true, there is an acceptable amount of parasites/bugs/feces in governmental guidelines, for both feed and human food.
Parasites are animals too and they are VERY GOOD at what they do (infect hosts).
Also, apples off the ground are some of the sweetest, most delicious apples ever, if they're not rotten yet. They're at the true peak of ripeness.
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I guess I shouldn't have said the only way, what I meant was the safest way, freezing misses some of these little bugs as well, like you said they are incredibly good at what they do and actually in some cases cooking won't get rid of them either. Its an ongoing arms race between parasite and host, and so far I'd say parasites are winning!
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I didn't say dropped apples are bad. I said they have the potential to be exposed to poo. And they aren't good for selling whole, so if you use drops, you either just pasteurize to cover yourself, or you can make sure they're clean and nice before you make cider out of them. That's all. It wasn't a rant against the merits of dropped apples, just a point about how if you don't pasteurize (which I think kills the flavor and certainly kills a lot of the nutritional value) and use dropped apples, you need to be very very clean.
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Cooking is not the only way to eliminate any issues. Freezing works. All raw feeders I've talked to take their food home and freeze it before feeding. Or they put their daily packets together, and freeze those. Obviously there's no way to ever completely guarantee without scientifically testing every little piece of meat, but I seriously doubt that the odds are stacked toward feeding a dog raw food one time and it getting full blown worms. It sounds like the poster either 1) didn't freeze first, 2) bought non-human grade meat, or 3) is being a tad hysterical and her dog had worms anyway or from another source and she just said "oh it's raw feeding!"
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No, I did not feed my dog "nasty rotted unclean raw food". Why do you assume I'd do such a thing?
And it wasn't chicken either. It was frozen ground beef.
And no matter whether it is "bad" food (which it would never be) or good food I'd never eat it raw myself. If you did some research you'd know that parasites like salmonella don't harm dog but will harm people.
I'm also not sure what this topic has to do with cider and dairy.
Either way I'm not taking my chances on raw meat and feeding my dog high quality dry food.
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