Fluffy Cardigans?
Do cardigans have the fluffy gene? I was thinking today, I've seen a ton of fluffy pembrokes but have never seen or heard of a fluffy cardigan. Is there such thing?
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Permalink Reply by Cindy on
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Oh goodness yes!! Though in cardigans there are also some mutations in the genes that have other affects on coat length, it's a simple recessive, meaning a fluff carries two of the fluff genes. To produce a fluff, the parent only has to carry one copy of the gene but both parents need to carry it.
I was blessed that this year's litter was my first without a fluff! You can go to my website, www.foggybottomusa.com and take a look at the past litters and see how they grow from newborns to adults and how the fluffs look at the different stages.
Oh and my icon, that's Eddie(well muddy puppy Eddie). We have just sent in his cheek swap for confirmation of his fluff status--not sure if he's a true fluff or just what cardigan people call a "glamour" coat.
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Permalink Reply by Elizabeth on
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Jon Farleigh is a fluffy Cardi and he has a fluffy littermate. His parents are both champion reds. My Dewi has a fluffy blue merle littermate. It's interesting that the breeds are distinct, but they both have the fluff factor.
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Permalink Reply by Beth on
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My understanding is that historians think that the Pem was developed by crossing spitz-type dogs in with the existing Cardi stock, so it makes sense they would have some of the same genetics.
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I can't seem to keep the two breed-cross histories straight, but that does make sense. When we were deciding whether to bring home our fluff (we had never intended to get a fluff as our first corgi), I did all kinds of research on them. Honestly, our first impression (based on the AKC breed standard and some negative commentary) was that fluffs were bad for the breed. So obviously, we got over our first impressions! This Dutch breeder's website actually sealed the deal for me (in case anyone wants an interesting fluff read). Are you afraid of fluffies?
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I can see where you wouldn't want a fluff working in a muddy cattle yard, so I understand the standard, but the article you linked to is absolutely correct: it's not a health problem to breed away from.
Our Pem girl is a glamour-coated fluff-carrier. She was bred once before we got her and she was bred to a stud who was fluff-free by DNA, which made all the pups carriers. I think that quite a few breeders are trying to make sure they have no fluffs in a litter, but it all depends on their other breeding goals. So if for instance they had another health-issue crop up (carrier for bleeding or something), I can see where breeding for lack of coat would be farther down the list than correcting a true health problem.
Having fluffs cropping up would not scare me off a breeder. However we do a lot of outdoor stuff with our dogs in the nicer weather (swimming, hiking) so personally I would not want a fluff pup and the easy-care coat was one of the things that sold me on Corgis to begin with.
Your fluff is stunning and he doesn't seem to carry much more coat than our glamour-coated girl, but I can see where the texture is different, especially in his pants.
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Thank you and if I may be so blunt; his coat is a royal pain sometimes! ;) No I would not want to work a fluff or take them off road too much. The texture is like cotton, absorbs water, especially around the ruff. When the two boys play, Jon's head gets drenched. Eww. I think Dewi might have the glamour coat (and I'm sure he's a fluff carrier), but his coat is still correct and repels water.
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Yep, that's what I've heard and that's why coat is so prominent in the breed standards of many dogs.
Here's Madison's glamour coat. It is still hard and does repel dirt, but Jack has a harder coat (still a ton of it) and repels even more.
We always get compliments on how clean and well-groomed they are, and I laugh because when they are not blowing coat they are brushed once a week (five minutes each, tops) and bathed maybe every two months.
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Oh, so pretty. :) Jon's underbelly coat is actually hard (thank goodness) and despite the coat absorbency in other areas, he still repels dirt. I do have to brush around his ruff at least twice weekly to prevent matts, but he doesn't get any dirtier than Dewi and I bathe at about the same rate as you. Wish my kids repelled dirt.
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Permalink Reply by Stephanie S. Hedgepath on
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Beth, if your Pem is not a fluffy but only carries the gene and she was bred to a fluff free dog, then not all of the pups will carry the fluffy recessive - statistically only half of them would be carriers. The breakdown would be as follows:
Clear Male Carrier Male Affected Male Clear Female 100% Clear 50/50 Carrier/Clear 100% Carrier Carrier Female 50/50 Carrier/Clear 25/50/25 Clr./Carr./Affctd. 50/50 Carrier/Affected Affected Female 100% Carrier 50/50 Carrier/Affected 100% Affected
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The prevailing thoughts on the development of the Pembroke and the Cardigan is that they were developed independently. There were natural barriers between the two counties - the Preseli Hills and the Teifi River and casual travel was restricted between the counties. Most of the crofters didn't travel more than a few miles from their farms. The ONLY recorded time that the two breeds were interbred was when they were first given recognition by The Kennel Club in the United Kingdom and that was only for about a year before they were recognized as they should as two separate and distinct breeds.
I think that the aboriginal dog of Wales as a dwarf dog - and the breeds were developed with influence from different breeds. Hounds in the case of the Cardigan and the spitz type dogs in the Pembroke.
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