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Permalink Reply by Beth on March 25, 2011 at 7:07am

I want to clarify that there is a difference between ground whole-grain corn or corn meal and corn GLUTEN meal.  Corn gluten meal is, according to AAFCO:

 

"the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm."

 

It is high in PROTEIN and used as a cheap protein-level bumper in very cheap pet foods.  Like us, dogs need amino acids that are best obtained from meat proteins, not cheap vegetable ones.  Very specific vegetable combinations are needed to get all the amino acids, whereas meat has the proper ones all together.

 

So corn= cereal, used as filler just like rice or oatmeal (or potatoes).

Corn gluten meal= cheap way for cheap foods to up their protein content without giving any actual meat.  

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Permalink Reply by Brittany and ruger on March 25, 2011 at 7:54am

thats what i thought when it says just meal it not bad when it says by productitis right thats what i thoughtat least

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Permalink Reply by Jane on March 25, 2011 at 10:21am

"Meal" just means that the water weight has been removed. As far as value in the food it really depends what type of meal it is. There's chicken meal, chicken by-product meal, meat meal, bone meal, etc. If you see a bag of food that lists "chicken" first, and another bag that lists "chicken meal", the second bag actually has more chicken in it by weight. The first is including all of that water weight in the fresh meat, and once it's dried for kibble that "chicken" would never make it to the first ingredient.

 

Personally I'd rather have my dog eating "chicken" than "chicken by-product". Yes they can live on it, even do well on it. But when it comes down to choosing between the two for a dog's everyday diet, there's no contest for me. I do have some treats which have chicken by-product in them, but overall they're getting a very small amount per day.

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Permalink Reply by Brittany and ruger on March 25, 2011 at 5:45pm

well one person is tryin to say that eukanuba as chicken by product in it but it only says chicken meal so they are diffrent right

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Permalink Reply by Jane on March 25, 2011 at 5:58pm

Eukanuba has different ingredients depending on which formula you're feeding.

 

For example, the puppy formula has chicken by-product meal:

Chicken, Corn Meal, Chicken By-Product Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Brewers Rice, Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt...

 

 Where as their "Pure" formula has chicken meal, not by-product:

Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brewers Rice, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Dried Egg Product, Potassium Chloride, Natural Flavor, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Salt...

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Permalink Reply by Brittany and ruger on March 25, 2011 at 6:31pm

were feeding our puppy the eukanuba natural lamb and rice puppy 1-12 mths the ingredents are

lamb,brewers rice,corn meal,fish meal, ground whole sorghum, chicken meal, ect those are the main ingredents listed in order from the bag i have it only saysmeal not by product meal

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Permalink Reply by Brittany and ruger on March 25, 2011 at 6:34pm

we only got a small bag we feed or big dogs blue buffalo so next time im just goin to get that for the puppy of course thepuppy food not the adult which is what were feeding or 10 yr old lab mix our 7 yr old rott, and our 7 year old queensland heeler there actually my boyfriends parents dogs were watching intell may while they work in MN but havent had any problems with blue or other naturall food when i changed them to the fit and trem purina my heeler started pucking everywhere so we changed them back to all natural products havent had a problem yet

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Permalink Reply by Beth on March 25, 2011 at 6:45pm

Yes, I want a named meat or meat meal as the first ingredient.  I personally would not want by-product meal as the primary protein source.  I don't mind it further down the list because it can be a source for glucosamine and chondroitin;  the dog food I use has it listed, but not in the top ingredients.

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