Black and white pems

I have seen a few ads in our area for black and white pems. Do they really come out this color? I'm guessing it's a cross between a tri and red and white as some in the litter are sables. Just curious.

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Permalink Reply by Beth on February 14, 2010 at 12:01pm

Pems will always have some tan points. They may be black-headed tris, or even red-headed tris (which are born with black heads, I believe). With a pem, the tan points are visible to the naked eye. However, according to the PWCCA, the tan points are often not present at birth, so that might cause confusion to a breeder who isn't too up on things.

http://www.pwcca.org/colors_BHT.html

WIth a Cardi, a black-and-white with brindle points may have the points so obscured that to the casual observer, they APPEAR to be black-and-white. In other words, were I to look at the dog, I would think it was black-and-white, unless corrected by a more knowledgeable person.

http://www.cwcorgi.com/Aragorn/ColorRegist.htm

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Permalink Reply by Joanna Kimball on February 14, 2010 at 5:20pm

You wouldn't be corrected - we call them black and whites. In general Cardigan parlance, there are reds, sables, brindles, blues, tris, and black and whites.

That works out to be (in real genetic terms) clear sables, sooty sables, brindles, merles, and tan-pointed and brindle-pointed tris.

I got tired a long time ago of saying "brindle-pointed tricolors" so I say B&W too, shamefully falling into the same inaccuracy ;). So when I announced this litter I said I had six black and whites and three merles.

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Permalink Reply by Beth on February 14, 2010 at 6:11pm

Ah, thanks for the explanation. :) When I saw yours, they sure look black and white to me, so I'm glad you think so too.

I do LOVE the look of a black and white Cardi with a slightly longer coat; to me they look like sawed-off Border Collies at first glance.

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Permalink Reply by Rachael & Waffle on February 14, 2010 at 12:58pm

My breeder has a beautiful corgi, Paige, who is a black-headed tri. When I first saw her pictures, I thought she was entirely black and white. When I saw her in person, my mom thought the same thing! But, if you look really hard, she has some tan on her head and thighs, but you can't really see it unless you're looking for it.

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Permalink Reply by Kristina Kainz on February 14, 2010 at 1:17pm

Yeah, I wondered if they weren't really tri's. But black headed sure would be cute! Can't wait till May until we can actually get a puppy and I can stop oooing and ahhhing over ads.

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Permalink Reply by Kristina Kainz on February 14, 2010 at 5:33pm

These weren't ads from real breeders. Just their cow dogs having pups, so if they don't get the colors right that's ok. For sure I would expect a real breeder to know the difference though.