City pup and parvo questions
I would love some advice from some pet owners in the city.
I live in a really nice clean neighborhood of Los Angeles (Los Feliz for those familiar) but I don't want to take any chances with Parvo. I believe (feel free to correct me) that there is about 2 weeks time where you can bring them home yet they haven't gotten the parvo shots necessary to let them be safe on the ground.
I don't want to ever train my dog it's ok to go to the bathroom inside - I don't want to do puppy pads.
Other ideas I have -
Stay at my moms for 2 weeks - she has a backyard - but I am eager to get home and start training in the forever environment.
Get some sort of puppy grass to put in a back area of my apartment building that no one goes to and I doubt anyone would notice or care if there was some grass there for two weeks.
Just seeing if any city dogs have some advice for my planning or yay or nay to my ideas! Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Jane on
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Are there a lot of dogs in your immediate area? Usually you're pretty safe if you avoid areas with a lot of heavy dog traffic.
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Permalink Reply by Caitlin Randolph on
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There is definitely a decent amount of dog in our neighborhood. There is a patch of grass just outside our building (not the strip of grass and trees that edges all the sidewalks here) that I don't think gets much dog traffic, that grassy edge of the sidewalk is heavily used instead. I will keep an eye out on dog walking times to see if it's used much. Friend's dogs I watch seem wildly uninterested in that patch of grass so I am assuming it's not great smelling aka not used much? Is Parvo a risk only if the other dogs haven't been vaccinated? Knowing my area there is probably a real low chance people aren't doing their shots but I cant bet on that.
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Are puppies pretty safe for walking in high dog traffic neighborhoods after 12 weeks/second set of shots?
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Permalink Reply by Holly on
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I recently posted about a city here in Massachusetts that has lost over 20 dogs in the past month to Parvo, but they said the dogs that died were not vaccinated. They were all from the same neighborhood and it is so contagious the places that had feces or places the sick dogs went were spreading it quickly. The experts that were interviewed speculated that it was a case of many dog owners living in a "depressed" and congested area who could not afford adequate vet care and were not aware of the dangers involved. They were working to spread awareness in that area, but it was a statewide alert.
I haven't heard reports of any new deaths so it may have passed by now, I hope. I don't live in the city and we see very few dogs where I live. There are no sidewalks here so dogs rarely roam off-leash and dog parks seem to be more of a city thing. The vet should be able to give you guidelines about when they can go into the community among other dogs. I heard the immunized dogs can actually get Parvo too, but it is rare, and they tend to recover where those that are not immunized rarely survive. All of the dogs that died in this outbreak were not immunized. Really sad,
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Permalink Reply by Vicky Hay on
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"Get some sort of puppy grass to put in a back area of my apartment building that no one goes to and I doubt anyone would notice or care if there was some grass there for two weeks." Not sure what the plan is here. You mean, put down a patch of astroturf? If the landlord didn't go ballistic you might be able to get away with that. But other tenants might think that was a great idea, too and (heh) move in on your astroturf.! Does your unit have a balcony where you could put the astroturf? That might work. Tie up some metal screen or something around the balcony railing to be sure Pup can't wiggle through.
Boyoboy...if it were me and I had a compliant muther, I'd be inclined to leave Pup at Mom's until all the shots have been administered. Parvo is nothing to mess around with.
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Permalink Reply by Linda on
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A dear friend who lost her 12 year old lab a couple of months ago decided her life was too empty without a tail-wager around. She found a good breeder of chocolate labs and chose her pup shortly after they were born. Breeder had their first shots done on Wednesday and Miss Molasses went home with her new family on Thursday. Thursday night she was not feeling well, yesterday she was not any better..took her to the vet and she felt it was probably a reaction to her shots and going to a new home. Last night the pup started throwing up and diarrhea, took her in this morning....this little 9 week old baby has parvo. The vet spoke with the breeder who immediately had the rest of the litter tested. They are all clear.
The birth mother of the pups died shortly after giving birth to the litter of 9 from complications so they took the pups to a surrogate who had a litter of her own but with 14 pups she was not producing enough milk. A 2nd surrogate was brought in who had lost her litter. Those 2 surrogates are being tested. These little guys had a rough start.
Update on Moe late this afternoon is that she is responding well to treatment...her white cell count was high but not outrageous so they felt it was a good option to treat her. Have no idea how this was introduced to the pups, private home and yard. Somehow it was tracked into the home of the first surrogate or into the breeder's home when the 2nd arrived.
This stuff can live on surfaces for a long time and you can track it on your shoes. I've been there, done that with a puppy and parvo. Only mine came from the SPCA and the 2nd day he was at the vets for treatment...he was also diagnosed with distemper. He could not fight both serious infections.
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I thought we were safe from the recent outbreaks in a northeastern city in my state because we live in a more rural area of MA. Unfortunately today's news reported another outbreak in a more rural town farther west. The two towns are not similar in anyway. The more recent outbreak in the rural setting involved one litter of pups and, to my surprise, a baby fox. I had no idea it can be carried and/or contracted by wild animals. Some of the pups are responding to treatment, but some, including the fox, did not respond to treatment. Not sure why or how the fox was captured and treated. There is more wild animal scat in my area than pet feces so I have to be vigilant since it is primarily transmitted (according to the reports I heard) through feces. Not sure why it is showing up so often this year, unless it is just being reported more readily.
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I have been away for several days....we were in Plymouth, MA. Update on my friend's pup. The vet treated her and did everything she could but this morning they had to give up the fight and make the decision. The pup was not responding and her white count get going lower and lower.
Now my friend is facing a huge vet bill of 5 days of treatment and the breeder has stopped responding to her emails and texts. In the beginning she had offered to refund the money...now she's not responding at all. Even after the breeder's vet spoke with my friend's vet and she faxed all the file to the breeder's vet. I am hoping that the breeder is just distracted with family stuff and will do the right thing.
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That is such a terrible story. I am sure there would be some way to get some legal support to get some of the money back at the very least. If not, the breeder can at least be flagged as less than reputable for not responding. I wonder why so much is happening here in MA. I hope it stops soon!
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Wow. I'd be talking to a lawyer, especially if they had the typical breeder's agreement, in writing. Parvo has a three- to five-day incubation period, so if they brought the pup home on Thursday and it was already starting to get sick, then it evidently was exposed at the breeder's or the surrogate breeder's. On the other hand, if whatever ailed it on Thursday wasn't provably parvo and actual parvo symptoms didn't surface until Sunday...it's ambiguous. If the pup was exposed on Thursday, then the organism could have been in the buyer's home.
At the very least, they should consider filing in Small Claims Court, where you don't need a lawyer. They might get enough to defray at least some of the cost of the vet.
It appears that some breeders don't make much on the business and get pretty desperate to unload the pups. My son's golden, for example, is cryptorchid. The breeder assured him that Charley's gonads would drop "within six months," a ridiculous claim on its face. If left inside the dog, they have a very high likelihood of turning cancerous; and, as in Charley's case, they tend to wander around the body cavity. Removing them iinvolves major, painful exploratory surgery -- just terrible. The breeder, after trying to persuade my son to get the job done at her vet way over on the other side of the city (our metro area is larger than Los Angeles!), finally did reimburse for the surgery, but not happily. At the same time she bred Charley's litter, she did an extravagantly expensive breeding of another of her dams by artificially inseminating with sperm imported from Scandinavia. After the pups were delivered, ALL of them died, so even tho' she sold all of Charley's littermates, she lost money in a big way. If a person isn't perfectly saint-like to begin with, the temptation to short people would be intense.
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