Ok folks, I feel the need to go on a little rant today.  I have 3 friends now who have gotten pups from a breeder (not all corgi's) on the condition that they not be bred, and then they decided to go against the breeder's wishes and breed them anyway!!  Grrrrr!!  In my opinion, if the breeder says please do not breed this dog, that is their decision, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else!!  Sure, I would've loved to show Frosty in the ring, he was within the standard, just barely, but that's not what my breeder wanted, so we got him fixed.  I just think it is irresponsible of novice breeders to get a dog and feel like they know better than their breeder, and they don't care if the puppies will be papered or not, but they want to make more puppies.  Sorry for the rant folks, I am just really frustrated with my friends.  I am not saying that I think breeding is bad, I am just saying, please respect your breeder's wishes, and if you don't agree with what they have to say, don't get a pup from them, it's rude.

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We brought home a retired adult who was still intact. The breeder said she routinely does spay/neuter adults before rehoming, but she sort of missed the window on this one and let her come to us with her girly bits still in place.

We let her settle for two months before the surgery, which worked out perfectly with how long my vet likes to wait after last heat cycle to spay anyway. It did not seem to upset the dog very much, but I have to say it was a bit stressful for ME to have her here. I have never had a dog before that had any value as anything other than a pet (meaning sentimental value, if you know what I mean). It was weird to have a top-of-the-line, breeding quality dog at my place and we certainly did not talk up the fact that she was intact when we brought her here.

The breeder we used says she normally only places adults with people she's put puppies with in the past, so she knows them and has a good feel for what type of home they are going to. She came with the same contract that puppies come with, except there was no purchase price.
Any adults that I place are altered prior to going to new homes. Pediatric alters scare me as I have seen some things go very wrong with those, so no, I don't alter pet puppies before they go to new homes. But I do not turn over registration papers and haunt the new owners until the deed is done.

And I agree, it's a crap shoot in placing puppies sometimes. I've heard some horror stories from breeders who placed dogs in what should have been good show homes with people who have shown dogs for years, only to have them returned or taken them back and they spend months rehabbing the dogs so that they can either continue to show them or place them in new companion homes. That was my case. What should have been a perfect home ended up being one that had no business having a corgi in the first place. Burned me so bad that I no longer place show prospects--if I don't intend on keeping it for myself, it goes to a pet home.
I love it! I think it's absolutely fabulous when breeders "haunt" you to make sure you've spayed/neutered and also follow up on the condition and status of the puppy. It makes me love the breeder even more! When we look for our next corgi, I plan to ask each breeder I contact about their follow up. I believe that breeders who follow through like this are fantastic, and I want to get my next baby from (and to support) the kind of person who loves the breed this much.
I do agree with you. I am really not sure why we would want to do such things. There are som many other dogs out there that need forever homes. I can see people are not thinking about the wellbeing of the dogs but their own selfish desires. It is not right.
You guys sure have opened my eyes!!! I cannot believe what people are doing out there. So...tell me, Odie came from what we thought was a reputable breeder, how do you breeders know if the pup will have problems? Years ago, we knew about hips and made sure that part was ok. He ended up having megaesophagus which I don't know how anyone would have known he would have gotten down the road.

Lucky is a rescue, found in a snowbank, did he end up in that snowbank because the breeder knew he was predisposed to IVDD? Is there a way to tell? Maybe I should be asking my vet these questions!
Thanks Kelly! Interesting. We checked hips with Odie, thinking that that was something that you could check! I had always assumed that the megaesophagus and the IVDD were both things that could not be predicted. Both Odie and Lucky were/are so lovable that one just loves them and goes on! I still wonder why anyone would dump a corgi or anydog for that matter in a snowbank. However, we lucked out and got Lucky out of it! Even now with him on a cart, he is amazing (I say that this morning after all the pee is cleaned up and he is outside!) When one rescues, you do it unconditionally - I have an IVDD with incontinence, and a 40# houdini, and love them both!!! Odie was our megaesophagus angel (our carpet is "corgi puke brown" so that all his throwing up would not stain it!!) Odie died before we moved into the house.
I forgot about our neighbor with the cute little female corgi - was not supposed to breed her, but was out trying to find a male to breed her with! By the way Jane, she had a "partial" tail, looked like poor docking to me, but what do I know!
could have been Carol!
I could understand someone with a dog with a natural bobtail wanting to breed him or her to get that into the line, even if the dog itself isn't conformationally correct. But, who would offer full registration on a fluffy?

However, if you look at puppyfind.com, which I do from time to time, I see people offering full registration for their dogs and they're not advertising them as show quality puppies needing to go to a show home. I've always been tempted to send those people an e-mail scolding them for offering full registration, but since I'mn not a breeder I feel like I would be out of line.
I've seen some Cardi people who sound like they are breeding fluffs. Whenever I see it on someone or other's blog, I always hope I misunderstand and when they say "coated" they mean that the dog is carrying the fluff-factor gene, but is not a fluff itself. Because breeding a fluff to a fluff-free would give you a whole litter of fluff-factored pups.
As Kelly said, "coated" could be referring to a fluff or a glamour coat. There seems to be quite a bit of variation of coat in the cardigans, and I've definitely seen some champion cardis that looked like they could be fluffs to me. It definitely doesn't seem as "taboo" to have fluffy cardigans as it does with the pems for some reason.

My personal opinion...the breeding pool of cardigans seems to be rather small, and I'd rather see the breeders match dogs according to their structural soundness and temperament than totally cut out a lovely dog or bitch because they could possibly produce a fluff.
First, to go against your breeder's wishes/contract. Second, to breed dogs when you have no experience or real knowledge. Third, to not care where the puppies end up. Wow, I really have no words to express my sadness and disgust without sounding really nasty. I love my corgi baby, and to me she is perfect, but I wouldn't dream of breeding her. A woman I worked with was really excited about getting a puppy (not a corgi). I tried to talk with her about researching breeders, but she wanted one NOW and didn't understand why she should have to go through so much hassle. She bought the puppy from a pet store (cringe), didn't train it at all, and then gave it away to the local shelter when it became "too much trouble" and was having health issues she didn't want to deal with. I couldn't even talk to her after that.


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