Question...
I recently read this blurb on a site, "We do have a 6 year old retired breeding female available for adoption. She is free to a good home. Very sweet and playful. Was house trained but has been in a kennel for a few years, will need a refresher training."
So my question is for you breeders or anyone in general who knows... why would she not be trained? What does having to do with a kennel have to do with not going indoors. Is she literally in a kennel ALL the time hence going to the bathroom in there as well? Is this "normal" practice after they're done breeding. Is there something I am not getting? Just kinda makes me sad reading that and was wondering what it all means.
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Permalink Reply by Anna Morelli on
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Elyse, dogs that have lived in outdoor kennels are fairly quick to housetrain because it is completely foreign for them to relieve themselves indoors. They still have to be taught, just as you would do with a young puppy, out every 2 hrs, supervised, etc. The ones that are truly hard to retrain are those dogs who have been indoors and not properly housebroken (for them it's normal to relieve themselves in the house and that's a hard habit to change ) or dogs that have been crated too long, so they go in their crates. If you are interested in this female, find out exactly what her living conditions have been. If possible go see for yourself. Many puppy mills keep breeding dogs in wire crates.... by that I mean that's where they live, either outside or in sheds/buildings, depending on climate. Hopefully that was not her situation, but it sounds like a loving home would make her day!
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Permalink Reply by Elyse & Caese on
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Ick I would hate seeing that, but I guess it would be a blessing if I went and saw it and took her. I am going on vacation soon for a week so now would not be the time to get her especially with potty training issues at first, but after I talk it over with my roommates I may consider inquiring about her status, living situation, etc etc.
Thank you for your response! :)
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Permalink Reply by Jane Christensen on
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My dogs that I occasionally breed are part of my household and live with us:) She maybe grew up in the house and then when they started breeding she went out???? I do believe she would be easy to retrain but don't agree with those practices of having them outside. My pups are born and raised with people.
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Permalink Reply by Rachael & Waffle on
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And we love you for that, Jane! :D
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Agreed. That is what is keeping this on my mind.
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Permalink Reply by Beth on
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There are some breeds that do well permanently kennelled. Fox hounds come to mind; they are hunted in large packs and traditionally live in kennels, and seem more than happy to do so.
However Corgis are family dogs. Numbers can get high for people who breed and compete, so I don't have a problem with clean, well-maintained kennels being a part of the dogs' lives. But as Rachael mentioned, they really should be rotated through the house most days.
I guess my #1 question to a breeder who has dogs that are excusively in a kennel would be this: How do you continue to evaluate temperament on dogs that are never in your house?
How do you know if your dog gets nasty if a person pushes her out of a sleeping place or walks by her while she eats? How do you know how she responds to people yelling or changes to her routine? I think that the most important thing for breeders--- the starting point--- is that they know their dogs. If you are trying to maintain or improve your line, you need to know what you've got.If you are selling dogs as family pets, how can you know how they react with a family if they don't live with one?
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That's so true! Especially cause all the sites I have been on lately pride themselves in saying how they have good temperament and all that. How can you judge when they are in that situation. Gooood points!
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Permalink Reply by Emily & Scout on
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Depending on the dog, refresher training might be less difficult than expected. My first dog was born and raised in an outside kennel (mom was just a mix outside dog) and she went in the house once and never again. My thoughts were that she was only used to going on grass, and carpet wasn't the normal place to potty, so she didn't.
And Scout, my corgi rescue I have now, was an outside dog and I believe the same concept applies to her.
I wouldn't think refresher training would be too much of an ordeal, as long as there are no previous pet odors that might provoke territort marking.
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Permalink Reply by Solomon & Naomi's Page on
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I can personally write about this, my Solomon came from a breeder and he was used for stud. He was allowed to be just a "male dog". Mike is and was a very responsible breeder. He deeply loves all his babies, they are rotated inside and outside in the kennel. Solomon was allowed to run and play. He knew each one by name as a matter of fact he names each of the babies that are born on his property. When I adopted Solomon at 3 1/2 years, Mike warned me that Solomon would lift his leg wherever he pleased so I should be careful and watchful for a little while. When I got Solomon home he lifted twice before I could catch him. I gently, but firmly told him no we don't do that inside. My other corgi Chloe was easy to pottie train. She would run to the door and run back to me to let me know she had to go. Solomon is on a schedule. He will not let me know when he has to go out but I have gotten into a routine with him about when to go. He holds it while I am at work and the first thing I do when I get home is throw down my junk and take him out. He does very well and has only had one "accident". I did not get angry with him, after all everyone makes mistakes!!! I would just advise if you are going to adopt her just be patient and realize that she may not have gotten alot of individualized attention. His behavior was totaly different than Chloes, she was raised with tons of attention. Example, she slept on the bed, when I put him on the bed he thinks its party time!! Good luck if you decide to adopt!
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Permalink Reply by Laura Jones on
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The individulized attention is a good point. Although Molly was a pup my breeder kept and therefore was witht the same people her whole life, she was not used to as much attention as we give our dogs. They love their dogs and take excellent care of them but ours are absolutely spoiled rotten lol. As I type this KC (Molly's daugher) just crawled into bed between my husband and I. lol. Molly will sleep on the bed when my husband is gone. But it has taken her almost a year to not freak out over hugs from the people. I told my breeder I had finally officially corrupted Molly lol.
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