Prey Model Raw Diet
I'm just curious if anyone else feeds a prey model raw diet to their Corgi? I've been prey model feeding Grissom and the results are absolutely incredible. It's a rather controversial diet, as people have a hard time remembering their digestive tracts are much different than ours, therefore eliminating all the bacteria issues.
Vets tend to not recommend this diet, mostly because they know nothing about canine nutrition, really. My vet gave my dogs raving health reviews. Then I told him what they eat, and he frowned upon it but couldn't give me a single reason why. Also, when I asked why he recommended the food he did (Iams. >.<) he couldn't give me any reason other than "it's good" but couldn't tell me what ingredients make it good.
If you also feed prey model, what problems has it fixed for your dogs? What does your vet think? Does your family think you're nuts? lol What made you go prey model rather than kibble or BARF? How long have you been doing it? What meats, bones, and organs do you include in their diet?
Vets tend to not recommend this diet, mostly because they know nothing about canine nutrition, really. My vet gave my dogs raving health reviews. Then I told him what they eat, and he frowned upon it but couldn't give me a single reason why. Also, when I asked why he recommended the food he did (Iams. >.<) he couldn't give me any reason other than "it's good" but couldn't tell me what ingredients make it good.
If you also feed prey model, what problems has it fixed for your dogs? What does your vet think? Does your family think you're nuts? lol What made you go prey model rather than kibble or BARF? How long have you been doing it? What meats, bones, and organs do you include in their diet?
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Permalink Reply by John Wolff on
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What's "prey-model"?
We feed raw ground meat mostly (delivered frozen by a local company, Darwin's of Seattle). VERY small amounts of kibble (whitefish/sweet potato).
Raw meat apparently eliminated Siri's skin allergy. But be careful of bones: she was a gulper, and that's what killed her (a turkey neck). I don't like to remember that, but it deserves attention.
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Permalink Reply by Jill, Kari & Jackson on
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What exactly makes up your Prey model diet?
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Permalink Reply by Jane Christensen on
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I'd be interested in knowing more too...as for vets...my vets carry one good food and 1 I wouldn't feed the coyotes...the assistant knows alot but I think they just carry a few brands...this 3 small offices so I'm sure they have to limit what they carry also! I saw some corgi on their page eating all the raw meats...looks interesting...
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Permalink Reply by Joanna Kimball on
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Prey-model refers to a raw diet that doesn't use any vegetables and very few supplements, making up its nutrition purely on chunks of or entire prey animals. The most pure version of prey-model is to feed entire prey, fur-on. Hare-today.com is based on this model and I think it comes close to being the absolute ideal diet for a dog.
Others "frankenstein" a carcass, using (for example) the head of a salmon, the liver of a cow, the heart of a chicken, the body of a pig, the skeleton of a lamb. So the dog would get salmon heads, cow liver, pork picnic (uncured), a lamb shank, etc. That's very doable but you have to work a little harder to source all the different things and make sure you're getting a variety of organs.
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Oh you just had to write that, didn't you? Now Al is insisting that he can sit atop the sofa and gobble up a whole salmon head without getting so much as a speck of grease on what is left of the upholstery, particularly if the salmon head has been dead and unrefrigerated for several days... Gwynnie is promising that if I would only un-ratproof the compost bin, she will keep the rat population down to a subsistence level... a pig carcass? ... a lamb skeleton? They'll do the taxes for a lamb skeleton... and a skunk, now, a skunk is remarkably nutritious for dogs (that is why they expend so much effort trying to get one), skunks contain micronutrients and antibodies that protect against DM, IVDD, heartworm, Lyme disease, and fleas; and to roll in the aroma...?
I'll never hear the end of this.
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Permalink Reply by Beth on
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Hah, I'm sure mine would eat roadkill skunk in a heartbeat! I just had to pry Maddie away from trying to gnaw a dead, sun-baked worm off the pavement the other day. You know, for a little tasty snack. Blech.
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Permalink Reply by Chris West on
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That's hilarious Beth! lol!!
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Owls in the Family, Farley Mowat. One day the family Great Horned owl flew into the living room shortly after eating a skunk, and was immediately ostracized. Apparently the owl concluded that its rejection was because it did not share, for it shortly thereafter flew into the living room with a skunk.
Gwynn, Al, you bring me a skunk, and I'll build you a doghouse. In Mexico. Got it?
:)
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I think my dog would love an all-meat diet, but then again he'd love an all cat-poo diet or an all cheese diet. LOL
My concern, personally, would not be the bacteria, but long-term nutrient deficiencies. I know that it's "natural" for a canine to eat lots of meat, but I have also heard quite a few wildlife biologists say that large predators such as wolves frequently suffer from malnutrition and have all sorts of nasty ailments. So personally, if it were me, I'd be concerned that I was missing certain key vitamins or minerals that might not be apparent in the short term, but might cause a problem in the long term. Very few wild animals live to old age, after all.
That's just my opinion, of course, and I'm one of those who takes a multi-vitamin even though most doctors say it's not necessary with a modern diet....
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Being a biologist and knowing something about the Byzantine inventiveness of parasites, that's what I'd be more concerned about.
I live in the city, so if I got a BB gun and started shooting gray squirrels (officially a non-native pest species) for my dogs, the local moms would start clutching their children to their skirts as I walk past with the dogs ("Hush, child, I will protect you from the mean crazy man...").
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You don't feed the internal organs of wild-caught or wild-hunted mammals for pretty much that reason. I don't need my dog eating liver fluke. The farm-raised animals are wormed regularly and of course rabbits are pretty clean (not too much that could transfer over). I think you COULD feed wild-hunted birds as long as you got the shot out.
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Yeah, I know the theory is that they evolved eating raw food, etc, but then so did we and we eat cooked food now. I know some nutrients are destroyed in cooking, but then other nutrients are much more readily available when food is cooked. I would be curious to see a scientific breakdown of nutrient availability for different items in raw vs. cooked food, and the net gain/loss of the overall nutrient profile. And of course the parasites; I think some live in muscle tissue.
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