9 Months old, we still can't find solution for behavior.
I love my Corgi SO much. Everytime he looks at me it makes me smile - but there are two things that he's been doing since we got him, and we seem to have no solution.
1. Barking (Talking back)
When we tell him to get in the crate and doesn't want to, when we look at him and say "NO!", or when we just stare at him, Ollie will go on a barking tirade. Barking at us - it is obvious that he's being defiant. I would like to ignore him, but we live in an apartment, so that's not an option. We don't know what to do.
2. Biting (At wife's shirt and pants)
My wife can rarely walk anywhere in the apartment without the dog trying to either nip at her pant legs or jump up and bite the bottom of the shirt. He doesn't do this to me, and I don't know what I do that is so much different than my wife. I realize that Corgi will be Corgis, but Ollie has put holes in at least 4 pairs of pants, and ruined about 3 shirts (My wife will probably say that it's a lot more than that).
He's also infamous at jumping all over anyone who walks in the door, ourselves included.
ANY suggestions or comments will be valued. We have to deal with this EVERY DAY. I've upped his daily walk time to 45 minutes, and it hasn't changed a thing. We're lost.
1. Barking (Talking back)
When we tell him to get in the crate and doesn't want to, when we look at him and say "NO!", or when we just stare at him, Ollie will go on a barking tirade. Barking at us - it is obvious that he's being defiant. I would like to ignore him, but we live in an apartment, so that's not an option. We don't know what to do.
2. Biting (At wife's shirt and pants)
My wife can rarely walk anywhere in the apartment without the dog trying to either nip at her pant legs or jump up and bite the bottom of the shirt. He doesn't do this to me, and I don't know what I do that is so much different than my wife. I realize that Corgi will be Corgis, but Ollie has put holes in at least 4 pairs of pants, and ruined about 3 shirts (My wife will probably say that it's a lot more than that).
He's also infamous at jumping all over anyone who walks in the door, ourselves included.
ANY suggestions or comments will be valued. We have to deal with this EVERY DAY. I've upped his daily walk time to 45 minutes, and it hasn't changed a thing. We're lost.
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Permalink Reply by Jane Christensen on
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I'm out of time to reply right now BUT if you don't mind looking on the "no bite-no pee" by Robin and Gordon there's 2 replies that give ideas for the biting...sorry to not answer this personally right now...
Jane
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Permalink Reply by Lou Ann Lemaster on
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I used a spray bottle on stream, and everytime Duncan made a grab for my pants, I'd squirt him right in the face and say no. But, he wasn't defiant like your dog.
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Permalink Reply by Ollie and Dinah on
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Yeah, Ollie actually doesn't mind the spray bottle. He'll just bark at it.
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Permalink Reply by Bev Levy on
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Obedience classes are your best bet. It is time and money not wasted! Also a leash in the house for a while so you can easily catch him makes a big difference in him listening. Women frequently fail to muster up a strong tone of voice when giving a correction so using a firm no when he grabs at her pants may help a lot. If the behavior doesn't stop a time out (short time) will often work. When people come over, you need to have control of him with a leash and work on distracting him with a toy or treat until he is calmer. I had a Golden Retriever we trained to go to his place (a rug in the kitchen) when people came over because he just could not contain himself! Good luck with your training!
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We've gone through a two-month, 2 days a week obedience class. He can do whatever you want, if he thinks he'll get a treat. We've tried having treats on us all the time, but it's hard to ALWAYS have some. Also, he gets impatient when he can't figure out what he's supposed to do, then goes nuts with the barking. He can roll over, get in his crate, sit still when you drop something on the ground, shake, lay down...but only when he thinks he's going to get fed. If I try to ask him to get in the crate without holding treat, he'll just bark at me until I start chasing him.
We've tried short time outs in the bathroom, and in his crate. As soon as my wife lets him out, he'll go right back to the pants nipping.
But no, she does not have a strong tone of voice at all...but she's working on it. Haha!
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They can be frustrating especially the smart ones. I use the leash a lot when I get stumped. If you can catch them right away they learn to pay better attention to what you say. My Sparty is ten and he no longer barks back but he is not above an occasional woof in protest while he does what I asked!! LOL
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That's the thing - I KNOW he's smart enough to listen. he just chooses not to. It can be SO frustrating. It'd be easier to deal with if I didn't know he was so smart, you know?
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Permalink Reply by Paddy and Karley the Corgies on
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Your story brings back some frustrating memories of my own. Sounds like Ollie is a typical, strong willed, very smart and knows what he wants corgi....yes, my Paddy was the SAME EXACT way! The first year was the worsted. My saving grace was obedience school, especially during the first year. I think we attended three different levels of classes. I had to learn to be the “alpha” in the relationship and stand my ground…which was the really hard part because they are so cute; I wanted to give in to all of Paddy’s antics. Hang in there. Is there are place for him to socialize with other dogs, such as a dog park or doggie day care. It was very helpful to get Paddy into a routine of social mixing with other dogs on a daily basis. This will also wear him out and he’ll be ready to crawl into his crate whenever you tell him too. You have a very beautiful boy that is highly intelligent and will want to continue to test your patience. He wants to be the pack leader. He will be a wonderfully behaved adult. You just have to survive puppy hood and then the dog teenager phase. I remember my training telling me…you’ll think you are over the hump of bad behavior and then he will test you one more time. Good luck and hang in there.
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Thanks alot for your words of encouragement. We'll hang in there, no doubt! I think Doggie Day Care might be something to pursue, or try out. He doesn't get any time with other dogs, except for the brief "Hello" with the neighborhood dogs while we're going for a walk. I also hate leaving him in the crate during the work day - so that would make me feel better, too! Thanks again.
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Permalink Reply by Beth on
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Having a leash on the dog really does help. Jack can be a bit stubborn (understatement) when he gets an idea in his head. For the past two months I have been trying to break him of the habit of following us upstairs, where he is not allowed and which rule he cheerfully obeyed for 2 years, til he decided not to.
I tried just about everything (and was not helped by my own sweet husband, who sometimes doesn't "notice" that the dog followed him up and lets him stay up there for 10 or 15 minutes before bringing him down). Then in frustration I clipped a leash on him and held him back. He whined and cried and scrabbled the floor for about 10 seconds, then Presto! the message sank in, and he's been good since then.
Here's another thing you can try to project authority: when he is talking back to you, stand with your legs shoulder-width apart and cross your arms in front of your chest, and just channel your middle-school principal when the kids would be running in the hall...... If I do this, Jack will talk back and then frap around two or three laps, but then put his ears back and come sit right in front of me as if to say "Sorry, I forgot my place." With a defiant dog, you generally need to find a no-hand, no-voice way to project authority, or it seems to me that they just fight back harder.
Be patient, be consistent, and this will pass. If your wife is not projecting the necessary authority, you might be able to coach her a bit, but in my experience it's easier on the dog (and the marriage) to redouble your efforts with the dog and let the spouse do his/her own thing. :-)
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I think you're right about the no-hands approach. Our puppy school said to do a gentle collar grab when he try to get up on the coffee table, or is biting the couch, so we've been trying that from time to time and it DOES seem that it just makes him want to resist even more.
It really seems like the leash is a pretty widely reccomended training tool, so we'll start with that tonight.
I'll also take your advice and leave my wife alone a bit. I find myself telling her what she should NOT be doing a whole lot more than telling her what she SHOULD be doing. That's really not helping anything...Haha. She whimpers a lot when he jumps at her...so I can see why Ollie thinks that she's a toy - she's a squeaker!
Thanks for the advice!
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Wow - thanks so much, Kerry.
Ollie's DOWN is fairly reliable, but certainly not enough to get him off the coffee table if there's pizza up there. It will keep him from going out of doors, though.
I completely aggree with you about the treat-training. It seems that I'm training Ollie to obey when I have a treat, rather than actually teaching him tricks or commands. But what should I do instead of the treat-giving while training? How do I tell him that he's doing what I want?
I'm definitely going to start leashing him when he's being defiant. No doubt about that - the reccomendation is unanimous! However, lets say he's in a defiant mood: We're trying to watch a movie, and he just starts barking at us for no reason, and will not stop. If I push pause and set down the remote control, he's start running away. He wants to be chased - so It's not going to be very easy to leash him. When he needs to go outside, he'll bark or whimper at us right next to us, between the coffee table and our couch. When he wants to be a jerk, he'll put his arms up on the opposite end of the coffee table and bark at us, so he's too far away to grab quickly.
He's made us both look like such fools while trying to chase him down. If we give up and sit back down, he just starts barking again...and then we get complaints from the neighbors. Leashing is a good idea. Getting a hold of him to put the leash on? That's another feat.
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