Corgi Christmas "other dog" Adventure
Took our 4 Corgi girls over to my daughters house on Christmas day. She has two female Corgis and a male Shelty and they all get along great with our girls. But she was dog sitting for the weekend. An older Golden Retriever. They've had the Golden over before and it gets along fine with their dogs. We decided to keep her seperate from our dogs at least at first.
Well after a bit the Corgis were all in the yard playing we brought out the Golden. Our 4 Corgis promptly surrounded her with a perfect half circle and were barking full bore. The Golden was kind of bothered but not too much. She decided to walk between the barking Corgis - one of which (Star) darted at her, nipped her face, and the 4 Corgis tightened down on the 1/2 circle and continued their barking. The Golden then showed her teeth and we decided to keep her seperated for the rest of the day.
Very cool and interesting behavior. I had seen this once before at the dog park - with another Golden. I only had Star and Scout with me but they surrounded the dog, barking full bore, until the dog set down. Once the dog set down the Corgis eased up and went on their way - but when the Golden got up again they came back and set her down again. Needless to say this wasn't the best adventure for the retriever. I apologized to the retrievers owner, who understood, and we went on our way. The Corgis seem somewhat stressed by these kinds of encounters too so they were real happy to get back to the leaded walk.
They did the same thing to a pointer once but I'm not so sure the pointer even cared - as he was busy sitting, ie. pointing, as they went on with their little hissy fits.
Everyone is pretty much real happy when we leave the dog park - that's why we don't go often and when we do we don't stay long!
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Permalink Reply by Bev Levy on
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a good recall would break your corgis bad behavior. I do not allow mine to be rude with other dogs when we are out. It makes us more welcome and avoids the chance of them trying to boss the wrong dog!
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Permalink Reply by Donald Till on
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I have no interest in changing or modifying this kind of behavior. I've said this before if you carefully select your Corgi you can find good "other dog" dog Corgis. I like my Corgi's the way the are and worrying about them "bossing the wrong dog" is a real concern for me because of it.
And yea I understand why we might be less welcomed and why some people consider that kind of behavior "bad" and that's fine we don't stay long.
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Permalink Reply by Beth on
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Sounds like they are packing up and going after bigger dogs. I'm with Bev; I'd train them to recall or leave it. Four against one can drive even the most well-mannered dog to attack out of fear, and I would hate to try to break up a five-dog fight. I've trained Maddie to look at me whenever I say her name, as she tends to run up to other dogs and say "Harf! Harf! Harf!" in their faces. Both come running to "come come come!" or "puppies puppies puppies!" Lots of "catch-and-release" training with cheese and liver treats made them pretty reliable. It eases my mind to know that if everyone else is getting out of control, I can call mine out of a big dogpile.
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I can call the dogs off - but they go right back to it at first chance. I think such behavior is just fascinating and wonderful - I don't know where it comes from but they acted like a finely tuned machine. I don't know why Corgi owners would consider this bad behavior cause I think it's something that's been bred into the dog. For me it's part of what makes these dogs appealling.
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Well, they are behaving as a pack (which they are) and while it's natural dog behavior, it's not good play behavior and I don't let my dogs bully other dogs. I would call them off in the same way I would call off my male for trying to mount a 10 pound toy poodle (or a three-legged beagle as he once did at a parade).
Having seen my dogs at the receiving end of bullying (someone did not call of their Great Dane who was mounting my 28 pound girl, for goodness sake, and I had to step in when he ignored her repeated efforts to back him off), I don't let my dogs bully others.
I let them play rough and I let them herd other dogs IF the other dogs like it. Mine are well-socialized and will generally leave another dog who tells them off, but if they pack up sometimes the other dog just gets too nervous to know what to do.
Perfect example: My two Corgis and a local border collie met up with a 25-pound (ish) white mixed-breed male that they have all played with before. The white dog likes playing chase games as the chasee. The three herders set off after him, full gallop, and he ran off grinning like crazy. Well, after about thirty seconds with three dogs trying to herd him in an ever-faster circle, his look turned from joy to horror.
We instantly called our three dogs off him. It was clear he was overwhelmed, and being chased by one herder was fun for him but three was too much. My dogs were not corrected, simply stopped and leashed up.
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Yea those Border Collies are the real trouble makers! If I had a bigger yard and was in better shape I'd own a couple of those too!
Great story - thanks for sharing!
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Permalink Reply by David on
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Yoda can get the same way with some bigger dogs, but it only lasts for 10 seconds and he is fine and becomes really friendly. Most owners do not mind this. However, I have to watch out who Yoda does this to. It can cause a fight with a dog has short temper.
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Permalink Reply by Jane on
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Nipping another dog's face is fascinating behavior? It sounds like bad dog manners to me. I agree with the other posters that I would not allow this type of behavior and call the dogs off. It's just a nasty dog fight waiting to happen.
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Permalink Reply by Priscilla, CARLY, and Frankie on
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As im reading this i am reminded of what happend this afternoon at the dog park... Carly was way out of her league nipping at a full size (dont know the age ) american bull dog.. As i watched for a while and noticed the bull dog was not aggressive but did want to dominant her, well Carly doesnt back down or submit.. So, i keep a close watch and finally i saw her nipping the big dogs face and snarling, i believe she's not sure of the dog and is defending her self before something breaks out but im not sure? I think she's is going to get in trouble if she irritates this big dog so i go and distract her..taking her to another smaller dog to play.
my question is: was this the right thing to do?
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Absolutely - the way they surrounded that dog and tried to set it down was a thing to behold. "Bad manners" maybe from your point of view not mine. I consider myself a fan of this breed.
Maybe you didn't read my original comments but we did seperate the dogs before it escalated any further as surely it would have unless the Golden set down.
"bad dog manners"? ROTFLOL! Guilty as charged! My wife and I often discuss how badly our dogs behave and how we love them that much more because of it.
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You are putting your own dogs and other people's dogs at risk for injury by letting this sort of behavior continue unchecked IMO. Don't you think having 4 barking, biting dogs staring her down will affect the golden's future interactions with other groups of dogs? What if she hadn't raised her lip and instead just attacked - are you capable of pulling apart 5 dogs before any damage is done? I think that's very unlikely.
One day your dogs could snap at the wrong dog and end up hurt or killed, either by the dog or its owner, and that is just sad because it could have been prevented. I know if some dog came up and bit my dog in the face and the owner did nothing, I would correct that dog myself, and use physical force if necessary to get it away from my dog if it didn't back down. Maybe you know it won't escalate any further, but the other person and dog does not.
It is your responsibility to be able to control your dogs and make sure they are acting appropriately. You may think pack behavior is cool to watch but it can be very dangerous to all involved, and definitely should not be allowed in public places with unfamiliar dogs. It only takes a split second for a dog to be seriously injured or even killed.
If you want to see the real natural abilities of your corgis then I would look into herding classes. That's what they were meant to do after all.
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LOL!
Our vet, who was responsible for the Golden, laughed when I said that my dogs were behaving badly and responded with the comment - "No they are just Corgis"!
And BTW - please read my posts before responding next time. I consider your accusations and attacks as being inappropriate and rude.
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